I have just upgraded all our PCs to Vista and now sometimes I wish I hadn't bothered.
Despite the fact that all our PC's are now brand new Vista 'Originals', everything seems much slower than with XP. The constant nagging screens to confirm this and that (yes I know you can turn it off), the persistent scrolling 'doing something' circle, more frequent lockups, and a hard drive that is working for England (you sould sit in an office full of Vista machines - there is not a moment's peace).
OK we have Aero, it looks a bit nicer, but it is slower than XP in almost every way and how many of us have ever used the pretty scrolling thingy to move between apps?
Something inside me tells me that Vista is not a huge leap forward for the general user, more like a polite step sideways.
Overall, I am thoroughly disappointed.

What hardware do you have on those machines?
Also UAC prompts for the most part stop nagging you once you get all of the applications and settings setup.
"Paul"

P4 Duo 2.13 GHZ 2GB Ram. Score 5.1
I just mean on ever machine I have ever seen Vista run on, is disappointing.
It is not the HUUUUUUUGE leap I was lead to believe.
Using it every day now drives me nuts.
"Shane Nokes" wrote:

On 4/12/2007 2:50 PM On a whim, Paul pounded out on the keyboard

Why did you decide to do "all" of your machines? If it's a business, I know most of my clients want an "all or nothing" when it comes to software, not just one or two machines.
You are a good example of why most businesses are NOT moving to Vista anytime soon. And what do looks have to do with productivity?
"Sideways" is a good way to put it. No advantage for you, only for MS.
Sorry to hear,
Terry
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Did you ever think maybe you should of just upgraded one and tested it for awhile to see if you liked it before upgrading them all?
There are many varables why your systems runs slow now..without more details it is impossible to determine.
Ram is a good place to start
Dave
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Join my Plonk club and hang out with other memebers like:
Adam Albright

The 5 systems i bought for a manufacturing office run great with a 3.2 rating, only 1gig ram, entry level video nV 7300 LE.
I'd say ram was important, but not for what were doin. (dB access, internet)
/shrug.
"Dave Cox"

I did upgrade one first and ran it for a month.
Deep down I wasn't raving about Vista but I guess I like many others thought it was the way forward.
Maybe in RC2 it will be.
"Dave Cox" wrote:

Even down to Microsoft's own Vista enhanced 'Live' website run far slower than any regular website, as does live search, gadgets gallery etc.
Pretty, but slow.
"Dave Cox" wrote:

god doesn't care
"Paul"

Paul wrote:

Given that on my machine, everything seems faster than on XP, you probably have driver issues.

It's annoying when you're setting the machine up, but doesn't get on my nerves in day-to-day use.

I've not managed to crash vista yet. My uptime is always the time between windows updates that demand a reboot (same with XP though - but then again I use rock-solid server hardware - crashing and losing work is too expensive for me). I suspect driver issues.

It's indexing the machine's file system - it takes a few days. It's pretty stupid that MS doesn't ship an 'initial' index on the install disk, but it goes away after a few days.

Personally, I think it's a small step forward. I wouldn't buy a machine and put XP on it these days, but I wouldn't be rushing out to upgrade machines to Vista. For starters, driver support is still *very* poor from many hardware manufacturers, which I suspect causes many of the problems in this group.
Alun Harford

Vista should haul ass on that machine. Can you post hardware specs?
Mainboard Video Card Sound NIC .....everything?

"Paul"

I guss my main gripes are....
Click a folder on the network...xp is faster Startup/shutdown...xp is faster Editing files...xp is easier etc etc etc Vista is just too locked down. Another user in this forum hit the nail on the head when he said Vista is like living in your own house where every single internal door is padlocked five times. It makes the end user experience so very cumbersome.
Initially Vista looks great but when you actually use the thing on a day to day basis, it really isn't that far removed from XP.
.....and as for drivers.....Has Vista only been thought about of the past couple of weeks? I am astonished at the big boys who have little or no Vista support for some of their major products - including Microsoft as we have learned to our peril.

"Alun Harford" wrote:

THANK YOU FOR CONFIRMING ONCE AGAIN
The things I have been saying again and again for MONTHS now!
THE TRUTH WILL SHINE!
"Paul"

HUGE SLAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry dude... you needed that!
"Alun Harford"

Should but doesn't...
it should also have the same results on many people I talk to who are disgusted about vista...
Its not some isolated cases here.. I see people saying the same things everywhere...
when will it pass through your hard boney skull that I was right about vista all along?

"Justin"

"kirk jim"

You have been proven wrong often so why would I do that?
As for the "doesn't" comment, let's see if we can get some specs first before we apply your usual blanket statements.

"kirk jim"

That makes it what?
10,000,000 to 10,000? Not in your favor.

"Paul"

I don’t see that, even on a slower Vista machine.

My Vista machine start up and shut down much faster.

Easier? What's easier?

When you browse the network and open a file to edit it then save it and close the app, what PADLOCKS are you having to unlock? That doesn't make sense.
We still need your specs to look at this further.

When have I been proven wrong??? Remind me. Or is this some interpretation of real events that you are making up?
"Justin"

Easy, do a NG search for kirk jim/jim kirk/just jim/just kirk and you will find many topics where people have provided factual links to your incorrect ramblings and unjustified opinions.

"kirk jim"

A good example of a 'step sideways' is the NEW (not) Windows Mail. They just put a little makeup on OE and renamed it.
Yes - Vista is slower than XP.
"Paul"

We can through the 'hardware specs' issue out.
I have a, very recent, 'clean' install of XP pro on one partition on this system and a brand new 'clean' install of Vista Home Premium on another partition. There can be NO claiming that the hardware is different - it's the very same computer running either OS. Vista is noticeable slower at most things related to the OS. When running other (installed) applications they seem to run at about the same speed under either OS.

"Justin"

I'm not sure it's Vista that's causing all the HD activity. Last fall when IE7 was released there was a plethora of complaints about huge increases in HD activity upon installing/using IE7.

"Paul"

We can also throw it out!! :)
"Bill Lewis"

On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:58:21 -0700, "Justin" wrote:

Unjustifed opinions? That's a new one. What the heck is that suppose to mean? Hint: Everbody has opinions about everything. Not surprising yours are often out in left field and rarely backed up with facts, but heck, you do have a right to express your opinions, just like everybody else does, which does seem to be Justin's main beef, others HAVING a different opinion, and expressing it here. Justin's main problem is he can't play nice in any thread. It always is his way or the hiway. Very juvenile conduct.

"Adam Albright"

Hahahaha! Leave it to adam to come into the conversation once jim kirk/kirk jim/just jim/just kirk turns it to crap.
Classic! You wont find him in the meaningful part of the convo.
Still waiting on those specs.

"Bill Lewis"

No, we can't.

The only thing you prove here is that you have major driver issues. Why:
There are TOO MANY cases in this NG alone where people upgrade from XP on Vista (SAME HARDWARE) and have either SAME speed or MORE speed.
We still need the specs so it's compatibility can be researched and hopefully pin point the problem.

"Bill Lewis"

You call A complete redesign of the mail store, a little makeup? Hardly!

On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:31:41 -0700, "Justin" wrote:

I'm still waiting for to act older than six.

On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:36:56 -0700, "Justin" wrote:

You call Windows Mail a application?
ROTFLMAO!

"Adam Albright"

We're waiting for you to do that as well.
Specs?

"Adam Albright"

Seeing as how it's an application....yes. What do you call it? A pizza?
No one said it wasn't full of bugs. Hell, OE was full of bugs until 5.0.

"Justin" wrote in news:uLD7BSXfHHA.1456 TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:

The OP gave enough onfo... score of 5.1, 2.13 Duo, 2Gb RAM. Drivers, indexing, sub standard video card?? It doesn't sound like the OP is asking for help. Merely expressing an opinion. That's OK isn't it?
Most of your posts are defensive and "kibbitzing" and add very little to the threads they're in. You seem to attract jabs and left hooks (it's even entertaining... sometimes).
Nick Goetz

On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:05:39 -0700, "Justin" wrote:

I'm saving your reply to hit you over the head with in the future. Justin admits Vista is full of bugs. Quite the admission for a fan boy.

Paul wrote:

beliefs. You've now learned how huge corporations manipulate the consumer. You've learned a valuable lesson in life my son. You should be thanking god for this experience. Hopefully it has made you a little wiser.
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