From the Extreme Tech web site:
"Unlike previous Microsoft operating systems, Windows Vista is pretty streamlined right out of the box."
Oh really? I didn't know a OS that hogs on average 8 GB of your hard drive and clutters it up with tens of thousands of files, many that just sit doing nothing, waiting for some special use 99% of users never need is what's known as streamlined. I learn something new every day.

OUCH!
"Adam Albright"

"Adam Albright"

Oh adam, must EVERYTHING in life be explained to you?
You skipped over the first part of the sentence:
"Unlike previous Microsoft operating systems"
Vista can be as non streamlined as you wish it to be. That does not matter. They were comparing it to PREVIOUS OSs.
If your argument is that XP is more streamlined then state as such. But your little rant only proves how irrational you can be.
As for the "files never used" comment, Linux and OSX do the same thing as well as XP. So I guess you'll never be happy.

Adam Albright wrote:

- which is 5% or less of a typical disk in a new system today. How does that compare with DOS, Win9x, Win2K or XP and typical disk sizes at their launch?
LSR

Adam Albright wrote:

Frank

Damn, glad you're not a gamer. With games coming on multiple DVD's these days, even console games can be ~5GB. That's for a single game.
OS'es get bigger, they add more to it. More functionality. You want me to give you Linux with 8 GB? Done. Red Hat with equal amount of accessories of Windows.
Dustin Harper dharper vistarip.com vistarip.com

Not at all! #1 fits perfectly. The DVD sailed through the air to my garbage can with very little air resistance. 8^) Actually, I didn't throw it away but I uninstalled it until the makers of my printers, etc. support it fully.
Tom Lake

"DanS" > Actually it depends on what the definition of streamlined really means in

Not sure about "standard pc" however I have a dual core at home that runs like a dream with Vista. At the work place I have Vista running on 5 machines and all of them are older hyper threaded machines. The users of those machines are more organized and able to find information much quicker then before. So aside from the word "compact", #2 fits.

It does take a little while to get used to. Because of that fact you wont see Office 2007 on my machines anytime soon. That would freak everyone out. I use it myself but I wont force it on anyone else. Unless they ask for it.

On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:45:57 +0100, "LSR" wrote:

Yep, I know, but that isn't the point. When you have a few spare minutes snoop around in the Windows folders and check the properties on some of the dll files for example. You'll discover Vista "installed" all kinds of files, some that are only required if you run foreign language versions of some things, which for most people... just waste drive space and just make Vista more bloated then it needs to be.

"Tom Lake"

Oh come on!!! Who needs a printer these days? :)
I finally convinced a buddy of mine to give Vista a try. While he loved it there was one thing that just wouldn't work for him. I believe his CPU was an Athlon XP 2400 (?) and when he tried to run any form of H.264 the mfpmp.exe process would tax his system from 50-100% CPU usage. We tried a couple other video players and nothing else would work.
YET! The videos played fine while using Media Center. So, the age old remark was mumbled once again, "f $k windows media player, stupid POS".
He'll upgrade again when a decent video player is released. Is there any yet? Bsplayer didn't work and I forget the other one we tried.

"Adam Albright"

Vista also keeps the DLLs from an upgrade and we all know you upgraded. My system folders add up to 7.8GB and I've installed a good chunk of apps. So I don't see how Vista is 8GB by itself.

On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 09:58:51 -0700 "Justin" wrote:
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Have you tried VideoLAN - VLC Media Player?
videolan.org
___ oo // \\ || Gerard (_,\/ \_/ \ || \ \_/_\_/> || "The only secure computer is one that is /_/ \_\ || unplugged, locked in a safe and buried 20 ___________ || feet under ground in a secret location ... and I am not even too sure about that one.
Dennis Huges, F.B.I.

"Gerard Seibert"

Nope. I'll check it out. Thanks for the suggestion! Maybe he hasn't downgraded yet.

On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 08:50:17 -0700, Frank wrote:

I "get" all the phony BS thrown around in here all too well. Thanks for playing Frank, you recover quickly.

Adam Albright wrote:

dll's you need considering the very small box your brain seems to occupy. Marketing is obviously not your forte as you can't conceive that you're not the ONLY PERSON IN THE WORLD1 You need to GROW UP! Frank

On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 08:45:08 -0700, "Justin" wrote:

Please tell us you're also into S&M, otherwise you need to see a shrink since you seem to like getting beat up so much every day.

My argument is logical. Why does Vista install endless files most users don't use or need? Got a answer? No, of course not, you'll just whine and moan like you always do and pretent you'r smarter than everyone else. Damn funny show Justin. Damn funny, keep dancing.

"Adam Albright"

I don't live in adam world so I can't concur.
Oh, wow...a "somewhat" real response. I didn't think you could do it:

Logic can fail you when not applied appropriately.

Here's another good question: Why does Linux install endless files most users don't use or need?
And another one: Why does OSX install endless files most users don't use or need?
I already mentioned this point and you didn't respond to it. Why? Because you can't or because it makes your argument moot?

No, I answered you. adam is wrong yet again.

That is something you claim for yourself. In fact you have specifically claimed exactly who you are smarter then. Myself, I can't possibly claim as such as I don't really know anyone in this NG. Neither do you but that doesn't stop you from claiming how smart you are.

I don't dance with dirty old 60+ year old men. I know you desperately want to dance with me but it just wont happen.
Now, you actually going to address my post or just keep ranting like you always do?

Adam Albright wrote:

Frank

On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 10:45:24 -0700, Frank wrote:

Frank, you silly little whiner. Having the files necessary on the DVD is one thing, blindly writing thousands of files during the install process to your hard drive when many people obviously don't have that much free room to contain them just adds to the bloat.
Marketing used to be Microsoft strong suite, then they gave us UAC.

"Frank"

"Frank, you recover quickly."
I want to know how he knows you recover quickly? How did he know that about you? Is it even true? Or is adam just full of crap again? I don't recover quickly. When I get sick I'm usually sick for a few days. When I break a bone I'm broken for a while.

"Adam Albright"

You still haven't addressed the fact that Linux and OSX do the same thing. What's the matter adam? That one got you stumped?

Obviously? Where's your poll? Data? Facts? You are just talking out of your rear again. So according to you people don't have enough room to "contain" Vista's files? So on average people have less then a 10GB HDD? You are wrong.

Adam Albright wrote:

Hey bozo...I'm not "little' (snicker) and you're the one who is doing all the friggin whining. I guess your pea sized brain forgot that little (snort) fact. Frank

"Justin" wrote in news:uO#qYDtdHHA.3960 TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:

Actually it depends on what the definition of streamlined really means in this scenario, which IMO, has nothing to do with disk space usage.
Dictionary.com gives this....
1. Having a contour designed to offer the least possible resistance to a current of air, water, etc.; optimally shaped for motion or conductivity. 2. Designed or organized to give maximum efficiency; compact. 3. Modernized; up-to-date.
Looks like #3 is the only one that may fit here.....
Vista certainly does not match #1 or #2 on what would be considered a standard PC...(non-dual CPU/core). While I've got no dual CPU/core experience with Vista, from what I've read, dual CPU/core performance is supposed to be better due to the way Vista handle it.
So, in a sense, Vista is more streamlined than any previous Windows OS running on a new dual CPU/Core system.
But as far as unnecessary default setup, I would not say it is more streamlined, just the same. For every XP I've installed, there are always 10 or more services I turn off immediately. Services using CPU cycles that are not needed....like WirelessZeroConfig on a wired desktop for one. UAC initially does nothing to make your PC more time efficient. Moving well known locations of system items/setting's does nothing for streamlining. Sure, after you'v used it for a while you start to know where eveything has moved to, but certainly NOT 'out of the box', as the article states.
Back to the dual CPU/core thing, it would be interesting to see some test results to try to prove this, Vista vs XP on identical hardware, several setup's.....
-Single-core vs. dual core -Single core vs. Dual CPU. -Pentium D dual core vs. Pentium Core Duo -and probably 6 or 8 other permutations at least, including AMD-based PCs.
The Pent D/Vista vs. Core Duo/Vista is really the most interesting one here. In all of the dual-core hype I've seen, I'm not sure if they've ever differentiated between PentD or Core-Duo as running faster...only dual core. The new internal architecture of the CoreDuo processors is supposed to give you faster processing at slower clock speeds than the Pentium D, so possibly Vista is faster than XP on a CoreDuo than an equivalent PentD only.
DanS

Justin wrote:

He's quickly becoming my favorite "toy" (grin, snicker, snort)cause he's just too easy. Frank

"Frank"

He's always in a blind rampage. I don't think anyone that's been here for a while takes him seriously.

Justin wrote:

I sure as hell don't! He's just one of 7-10 idiot know nothing trolls in this ng. Frank

On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:38:23 -0700, Frank wrote:

Ok, Frank, you big dumb whiner. Happy now?

On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:41:20 -0700, Frank wrote:

Imagine what I think of dopes like you and Justin. Squash you both like bugs with no trouble. Thanks for you being you. Don't change.

"Adam Albright"

Imagine what I think of dopes like adam. Squash him like a bug with no trouble. Thanks for you being you. Don't change.
Gee, that was easy.

On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:23:22 -0700, "Justin" wrote:

You silly little retard, I didn't bring up Linux at all, apples and oranges again, you being a dope are trying to inject it into the conversation.
These three monkey now have names; the drunk, better know simply as <.>, Frank and Justin.
New, funnier picture. <giggle>
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You mean like YOU did when you boldly claimed "most" IT people have already installed Vista or would and don't wait?
This is you again, back view:
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On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:42:12 -0700, "Justin" wrote:

Rampage? How silly, I'm having fun at your expense. I made myself head of the entertainment committee. You don't get a vote.

"Adam Albright"

Of course you didn't. I DID. But then again I don't expect you to ever understand very well.
With that said you still need to address the question. Linux and OSX do the same thing. What's the matter adam? That one got you stumped?
Since you can't address it then I guess that prove you are completely stumped! Figures!

I never said any such thing. More of adams LIES.

yuck! adams obsession with rear ends is getting worse!

On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 12:16:08 -0700, "Justin" wrote:

Only proves you ARE a dope. What's the matter, can't write anything original?

"Adam Albright"

Like I said:
"He's always in a blind rampage. I don't think anyone that's been here for a while takes him seriously."