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Lets see, deception and lies... hmmm kinda reminds me of Richard Urban (aka urban legend) and Kerry Brown..... that propagate misinformation that they blindly believe as true....
Or do they have a hidden agenda?
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Prior to the availability of Vista, Microsoft launched a marketing campaign that allowed PC makers to place a sticker on computers alerting potential buyers that they could upgrade to Vista when it became available. According to a lawsuit filed against Microsoft Corporation, the software giant unfairly labelled PCs as "Windows Vista Capable" even when "a large number" of the computers could only run the Home Basic Edition of the new operating system, which lacks many of the features that Microsoft advertised. The lawsuit, filed in the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Washington, seeks class action status (exceeding 10,000 people) and asks for damages (exceeding $5 million).
In addition, when Microsoft later offered buyers of "Windows Vista Capable" computers free or reduced-price upgrades to Vista, the company offered Home Basic to many customers. "In sum, Microsoft engaged in bait and switchassuring consumers they were purchasing 'Vista Capable' machines when, in fact, they could obtain only a stripped-down operating system lacking the functionality and features that Microsoft advertised as 'Vista'," the suit reads. Microsoft argues that it "conducted a broad effort to educate computer manufacturers, retailers and consumers about the hardware requirements to run different versions of Windows Vista," said Microsoft spokesperson Jack Evans. That program is well-documented and the information can still be found online.

I must add that I am saying this about those 2 because they kept saying that Vista has sold more than XP did...
This is a horrid distortion of the truth for many reasons... The fact that these "vista capable" machines were counted among the numbers MS gave, is just ONE of the reasons the comparison of Vista and XP sales is bogus...
Sorry guys.. the truth is that they have to persuade the people that vista is selling because its not selling and they want it to sell! lol
Most people are sticking with XP, or even going to linux because of the tragity called Vista!

"kirk jim"

This was already posted. Learn to search before posting.
"kirk jim"

"kirk jim" wrote:

There are two stickers placed on new PCs with regard to Vista, 'Windows Vista Capable' and 'Windows Vista Premium Ready.' I feel both of those stickers clearly describe the computer they are on. Capable means the computer specified is capable of running Windows. It does not mean that the computer can run all the bells and whistles for the full Vista experience and it doesn't imply it. Premium Ready specifies the computer is designed to support Vista and implies it is more than capable of running more than the minimum experience. While this is simply my own opinion, I find nothing misleading about the two forms of branding.

I would also like to ad Kirk that with the volume of posts you make, someone is easily going to spot your negative bias against Microsoft and be mroe likely to dismiss what you have to say.
I would also like to reference the Windows Vista website where it clearly states:
"Windows Vista Capable and Premium Ready PCs What is a Windows Vista Capable PC?
Windows Vista capable A new PC running Windows XP that carries the Windows Vista Capable PC logo can run Windows Vista. All editions of Windows Vista will deliver core experiences such as innovations in organizing and finding information, security, and reliability. All Windows Vista Capable PCs will run these core experiences at a minimum. Some features available in the premium editions of Windows Vista—like the new Windows Aero user experience—may require advanced or additional hardware. "
_Mike

This part got me:

So, Vista Basic is the one being advertised as "Vista"? Um. Yes, it is. Anyone who disputes that is retarded. Aero is not Vista, BitLocker is not Vista, DreamScene is not Vista. They are additional features available in a different version.
I think I should sue because I can get Damn Small Linux (under 50MB for those that want a small version of Linux!) but it doesn't have GNOME, KDE, OpenOffice included. Sure, they aren't included in that distro, but I was confused. I didn't get it... I should have gotten Ubuntu (damn fine OS, in my opinion) for that. But, was I mislead? NO. I was ignorant and didn't do my research. So "Linux" is the kernel, while the full distro can vary... Hmmm. Different versions? No way.
Dustin Harper dharper vistarip.com vistarip.com
"kirk jim"

I read the subject lines.. if I see something posted I dont repost it..
but if you expect me to do a search for keywords to check if something is posted, its not gonna happen..
anway this was important.. having it posted twice is not a bad idea... :-)

"Justin"

"kirk jim"

Yes, it is. It creates confusion and is an irresponsible waste of server space. You should be more considerate.

I had the notion that linux was free.... Vista is not... :-)
"Dustin Harper"

"kirk jim"

Your notions are usually wrong and they fail you often as they do here.
Linux is not free when a vendor like Dell installs it for you.

I am not biased towards microsoft .. please! I am a grand supporter of all MS products of pre vista era. I only complain that with vista quality went down the drain.

If a court of law agrees that MS mislead people with buying vista capable machines, then what does that mean?
Nothing to you?
"Mike"

"kirk jim"

If that were true then why do countless people in this NG say otherwise?

"IF". I guess we'll wait and see.

the OS itself is free, even in some distros where you have to pay, there are other open source versions that are totally free.
For example mandriva has mandriva free...
They cannot ask for money for the OS if it is a free version, perhaps they ask money for the service of installing it on a computer. Thats different.

"Justin"

server space? I didnt see you snipping any posts... lol
Grabing at straws ehh Justin?
<SNIP SNAP>

alas.. not one soul has understood me... snifff......

A court of law has said nothing on the subject yet. Only lawyers.
Why exactly are you here? The only help I see you offering is the help to jump to a different operating system... Not a bad thing in itself, but spreading negative propaganda? Nothing personal, but I just don't understand what your motives are. Just trolling or what?
Dustin Harper dharper vistarip.com vistarip.com

alas... Not one soul cares what you have to say... sniff...
Dustin Harper dharper vistarip.com vistarip.com
"kirk jim"

Justin wrote:

It's free here:
ubuntu.com/
and here:
pclinuxos.com
Alias, who would never buy a Dell or HP or Packard Smell or ...

kirk jim wrote:

The money with Linux is in tech support and hard ware repair.
MS chooses to have their lawyers write up licensing scams and to have their programmers write up "anti piracy" programs and make money that way.
Your choice.
Alias

"kirk jim"

Do I really need to spell this out for you?
The TOPIC is RETAIL machines that are being sold with the promise that Vista will run.
You need to learn to compare like items.
No one is discussing someone buying a barebones machine and later obtaining Vista/Linux.
So, when you compare someone buying a Vista machine from a RETAIL vendor with buying a Linux machine from a RETAIL vendor then the same promises made of Linux in the previous example apply. The customer is PAYING for a machine and promises have been made. Do you really think the customer gives a rats rear as to how much the OS costs? They usualy never see a price regardless of what OS is distributed.

"Alias"

The TOPIC is RETAIL machines that are being sold with the promise that Vista will run.
You need to learn to compare like items.
No one is discussing someone buying a barebones machine and later obtaining Vista/Linux.
So, when you compare someone buying a Vista machine from a RETAIL vendor with buying a Linux machine from a RETAIL vendor then the same promises made of Linux in the previous example apply. The customer is PAYING for a machine and promises have been made. Do you really think the customer gives a rats rear as to how much the OS costs? They usualy never see a price regardless of what OS is distributed.

"kirk jim"

Yes, it is. It creates confusion and is an irresponsible waste of server space. You should be more considerate.

Also, Ubuntu (among others) have a LiveCD that you can run the OS from a CD without messing up your Windows install. Just to test it out and see if you like it. While not as fast as installing it on your hard drive, you can get a good feel of it.
We all have the option to switch. But, if people are whining about compatibility for both software and hardware, they might want to stick with XP for a while... Linux is a bit worse than Vista on that front (even with Wine).
Dustin Harper dharper vistarip.com vistarip.com
"Alias"

On the other post you said you didn't care ...
If you want a serious answer... then here it is...
I started off as a vista basher only since not many people in here had problems... it was more of a debate about vista type of thing, now as problems roll in I am starting to help people as you may see some of my posts.. with time I will only post help and advice....
I am NOT a vista hater, nor a linux fanatic or a mac osx worshiper...
It may come to a surprise to you that I actually advise people to get new computers with vista on them if they are getting a new computer.
I must add that I have helped the Microsoft users with XP for years giving advice for free.. and I have never been harsh like this..
Vista to me was a disappointment since I believe Microsoft should have done a better job FAR FAR FAR FAR better job!
Many people call me a troll.. but this is totally incorrect. I am not a troll.
I can understand that many people fall hastily into that conclusion.. but then why am I interested also in helping people?
It just doesn't add up does it?
"Dustin Harper"

Justin wrote:

I was responding to another comment. Please read for content.

I don't need to do anything of the kind.

I wasn't either.

You must have some pretty stupid clients but that's not surprising. Who else would hire you?
Alias

Justin wrote:

YOU are preaching against using too much bandwidth?
Now, *that's* funny!
Alias

With some of the comments, it does look like you are a Vista basher/hater. There seems to be more bashing than helping. And telling people to jump ship at the first problem and go to Linux would be a disaster. If they can't get Vista running, how hard is it going to be if they have to manually edit fstab or others?
Advising people to go with Vista on a new machine is good. But, if they have programs or hardware that won't work: I'll gladly tell them to go with XP. It's a matter of what works and what doesn't. Older machines, though. Depends on the hardware. If it's recent enough to run Vista, go for it. If it requires a huge upgrade, probably not (unless they were upgrading hardware anyway).
You say you used the Vista beta... Did you use the XP beta? It was just as buggy and ran like hell on a K6/2-233. Final product did ok. SP2 was what really made XP a great OS. I liked XP from the start, though. Vista has it's issues, but it's nothing to jump ship over.
Dustin Harper dharper vistarip.com vistarip.com
"kirk jim"

I care. I understand you. Trolling in murky waters can be fun, especially on an otherwise dull day. And these here waters are pretty murky.
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Im not trolling...

"Bill"

I was just being facetious. Besides, it was you that wanted the sympathy. I gave it and now you complain. Sniff...
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"Alias"

You specifically responded to my post with Linux links.

Then your post was worthless.

Clients? Hire? What does that have to do with Dell or HP or any other vendor that sells Linux machine? Get it in gear. You are way out in left field.
The TOPIC is RETAIL machines that are being sold with the promise that Vista will run.
You need to learn to compare like items.
No one is discussing someone buying a barebones machine and later obtaining Vista/Linux.
So, when you compare someone buying a Vista machine from a RETAIL vendor with buying a Linux machine from a RETAIL vendor then the same promises made of Linux in the previous example apply. The customer is PAYING for a machine and promises have been made. Do you really think the customer gives a rats rear as to how much the OS costs? They usualy never see a price regardless of what OS is distributed.

"kirk jim"

Yes, it is. It creates confusion and is an irresponsible waste of server space. You should be more considerate.

Justin wrote: