It happened with Ie7 came out... it make people switch to firefox, not Vista is making people switch to linux?
is vista the self destruction of MS (as I predicted), or not?
and interesting read here... although this person has some holes in his knowledge about windows as well as linux... its still interesting to see this trend...see the comments too
nomachetejuggling.com/2007/01/29/saying-goodbye-to-windows/

2 things i can see that keeps the majority of users at the moment. or "for the moment" regardless what OS were talking about
- Compability Vs Stability of software such as documents and databases - Games and Multimedia
But it is only a matter of time before it all works ACROSS all platforms ALL windows, linux/unix versions and what else you might dust up out there. so in the end it will be just like now some major labels some rebels and some like Mac that dont have any buisness being here at all..
But the end for some seriously doubt it, ewen the small freeware ones. arent excaktly "that small" they will also survive just like the huge "OVERPRICED" commercial onces will.
and in 10 years this excakt same conversation will take place once again so lets stop wasteing bandtwidth on this.. lmao..

"kirk jim" skrev i meddelelsen

I killed my post... so here is the correct phrase.. :-)
It happened with Ie7, when it came out... it made people switch to firefox. Now Vista is making people switch to linux?
"kirk jim"

I can often be critical of Microsoft and Windows. However, I have never once seriously thought about switching full-time to Linux. Never. While I play around with Firefox, IE7 works well for me. I'm glad Mozilla and Firefox are around, and I hope they continue to grow. I hope the same for Linux. But, Linux just doesn't suite me right now.
-Michael
"kirk jim"

"kirk jim"

Strangely enough I have a differing opinion. I think Vista may hurt Linux.
I think Vista may make Linux programmers switch to Windows. Linux programmers are used to a similar security model and will have a much easier time grasping the security model in Vista than many Windows programmers. This will allow them to get programs to market quicker making them in high demand. Vista may actually hurt Linux in this regard. Talented programmers may switch to Windows.
Kerry Brown Microsoft MVP - Shell/User vistahelp.ca

Kerry Brown wrote:

I am sorry but I can't follow your reasoning here.
Explain to me, being a programmer myself, how Vista's security model benefits me to get my work done?
All software I develop these days is designed to run on any platform. Windows, Linux or Mac. So from that perspective...it doesn't much matter what OS I do my development on since I support them all anyway.
Stephan 2003 Yamaha R6
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News to me, I loved IE7, so did my friends and clients
I love Vista too, for home and business, it helps me protect the corporate networks much better.
Granted it is a change and has a learning curve,
It has its bugs, but is that the OS or user, we are all still finding out.
Linux has its bugs AND its security holes too. But I never criticise Linux. Its all the Linux users criticise windows.
What is ok for one , may not be ok for another, we all have choices .
There are many flaws and incorrect statements in that post...
"kirk jim"

On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 00:55:18 +0200, Stephan Rose wrote:

Who cares how much shareware crap is cross platform. Show me ONE major software house that developes for Linux. You know, a name EVERYBODY will instantly know.

"Stephan Rose"

What development software / compiler do you use, AAMOI...?

VMWARE

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Mark Rae wrote:

GCC for linux or max, Visual Studio for windows.
The projects are setup in such a way that I can compile them easily and natively in any target environment.
wxWidgets for my API to abstract the OS, GUI, file handling, etc.
OpenGL for hardware accelerated graphics, mostly 2D stuff currently.
Works very nicely, I am quite happy with the results.
Stephan 2003 Yamaha R6
君のこと思い出す日なんてないのは 君のこと忘れたときがないから

That article was about 'one' person who switched to Linux and he said he switched 3 months ago. The article was written in January, so that means he actually switched in October 2006, a full 3 months before Vista was even released?
So how does this relate to your 'prediction' about Vista driving people to Linux???
I think your stretching things here to accomodate your own agenda.

Ronnie Vernon Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
"kirk jim"

On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 01:14:22 +0300, kirk jim wrote:

No, vista is not 'making people switch to Linux'. It may encourage them, though. Why any rational intelligent person would put up with this crap is beyond me; but then most consumers are neither.

"Stephan Rose"

It sounds like you are not the average Windows programmer. I may be wrong but I'd venture a guess that the vast majority of Windows programmers do not write cross platform programs. My point has nothing to do with Vista making a programmers job easier. The point was it made a progammers job harder. People used to security models other than that which most Windows programmers use will have an easier time understanding how to program for the security model used in Vista.
Kerry Brown Microsoft MVP - Shell/User vistahelp.ca

Kerry Brown wrote:

Unfortunately your guess is absolutely right. I wish more people would write cross platform software, it would eliminate a lot of os dependancy problems.

Ok I see where you are coming from. But why would that make a linux programmer switch to windows? Just because the programmer can do a better job than some windows programmers? That was already the case then prior to Vista.
I think it is safe enough to say that most linux programmers usually develop exclusively for linux or cross platform. Someone developing exclusively for linux has little use in switching to Vista regardless of its security model I think. Just my opinion though. =)
Stephan 2003 Yamaha R6
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ray wrote:

Which crap? The vista crap or the linux crap?
I'll agree to the fact that both OS' have the occasional flaw or quirk. Hell, *any* software product has that. The "one" software product that pleases *everyone* equally is simply impossible to create. Doesn't matter if it's an OS, application, game, whatever. I'm a programmer, that is one thing I know all too well!
Vista just simply has a few flaws I can't, or more precisely don't want to, live with.
I will prolly have it around eventually on a second machine, once MS can get their own software to run correctly on it (Visual Studio) for testing and deployment purposes of my applications. I have to keep some version of windows around after all for support purposes and to compile my windows binaries natively. Don't like the idea of cross compilers for something like this.
Maybe I'll even fork out the money for ultimate so I can run it via VMWare and don't need to waste a complete computer for it. Don't really want it even anywhere near my primary computer so partition or additional hard drive is not an option.
But it'll never be my primary OS.
Stephan 2003 Yamaha R6
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Hi,
Linux dev's are used to writing for a platform that requires elevated privileges for certain procedures that modify the system. In Windows, up until Vista, most everything could be done from any admin level account without calling for elevation. Window's dev's will now have to change their methodology to account for this, something that Linux dev's have been doing for years. For this reason, a Linux programmer could easily move to the Windows platform and be successful, and probably faster than those that have been doing it for years.
Best of Luck,
Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP mvp.support.microsoft.com/ Windows help - rickrogers.org
"Stephan Rose"

As a 10 year Network Admin I agree that Vista sucks compared to XP, but linux take you back 10 years in terms of application availability and agility.
Linux is a good server, but will never replace Windows on the desktop. That debate is over.

"kirk jim"

Have you ever tried saving a file to CNN.com. In any Microsoft application, like Word, the Internet history is what is displayed for a file-save location for new files created by Office 2007.
"POP"

"Stephan Rose"

I was thinking money might be a major motivation :-)
Some software companies might be willing to pay a premium for someone who could quickly get their program running in Vista. If they have a small development team who has never worked on anything but Windows this might be a tall order for them. First to market with a Vista compatible app might be very lucrative.
Kerry Brown Microsoft MVP - Shell/User vistahelp.ca

On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 21:36:11 -0500, steveb wrote:

I am running it alright. It has all the applications that I need. It is very fast and smooth. I have XP in a VMWARE window, just in case I should need it for something, which doesnt happen very often. Even with windows running in VMWARE, I do not notice a decrease in speed. I think with both linux and xp, I have much better application availability and agility than you could possibly get with Vista. (Yes, I tried it, hated it, and got the T-shirt.) Besides, I have a very stable, virus and malware free environment.
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On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 02:51:46 +0200, Stephan Rose wrote:

I'm speaking specifically about the 'activation' crap; the insane EULA which lets you rent their software for as long as they like; and paying hundreds of dollars for new versions of everything every few years.

On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 21:36:11 -0500, "steveb" wrote:

Bingo!

On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 22:01:32 -0500, Billy wrote:

So all you need is ten year old mickey mouse applications. Oh, now I understand. <snicker>
Typical Linux troll BS.

Happened to peek into a Linux newsgroup today and came across this discussion. It was a purported solution to a problem a guy was having. He couldn't start up linux because a temporary folder was full.
The fix? Simple!
"Try running 'su -' to switch to root, then run 'telinit 1' to switch to run level 1 (minimal amount of stuff running), then 'rm -rf /tmp/*' (note the space) followed by 'reboot'. "
Yup. Vista is going to send the world beating down the doors of Linux shops so they can switch to a much easier operating system. Imagine what fun the Apple people could have if they made commercials about Linux instead of Windows.
Seriously, though, as I said in another post: I'm glad Linux exists. I just don't think it's ready for prime time for non-techie users. I'm also glad the Mac exists. When I got into computing years ago, the cost-of-entry was a barrier to me because Mac systems and software was so much more expensive than "PC clones," as they were called back then. And now that I could easily afford a Mac, I'm too committed to the PC way of life.
Maybe one day I'll shell out bucks for a Mac as a machine to play with. But I'll keep my Windows Vista machines as well.



"Kerry Brown"

On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 22:24:17 -0500, Adam Albright wrote:

I am able to surf the net without worring about the 32000+ sites that dump malware and worse on windows users, watch you tube videos, burn cds, run Windows XP in a VMWARE window, download my email without fear of contracting a virus, consolidate all my instant messenger services into one, chat on Xchat, play music with chrystal clear clarity, access the newsgroups with pan in linux and xnews in windows at the same time, in fact I am doing all of these things at the same time, with no noticeable loss of speed and agility. I am in a true windows environment. I am running a typical Vista machine..dual core AMD-64 with 2 gig of memory. I am allotting 256 Megs to my VMWARE XP window. Everything is fast and smooth. Nothing is crashing. My linux is updated periodically. I do not have to wait 5 or 6 years for the next major update, or two years for a service pack. I just run synaptic and it updates automatically for me in the background, while I continue to work. I would be ashamed to brag, if my OS was only updated every 5 or 6 years. I have the access to the latest 3d desktops, but I prefer simple windows. Linux is about choice. I can do as I please. I run 10 desktops with a program maximized in each desktop. I switch desktops rather than windows. Xp is on one of my desktops. I do not have any 10 year old applications. All of them have been updated within the last 12 months, some were updated just today. I am not a Linux troll. I use Windows. I paid for it. Sometimes, it is a necessary evil. I do not browse the net with it, but I do like Xnews and some other windows programs, but I keep Windows where it belongs in a window..lol...
I thought that your reply was arrogant and totally lacking in common courtesy. It belies your ignorance about linux, which I imagine is self- imposed.
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"steveb"

And what did network admins with ten years experience say about XP vs. 2000 when XP first came out? Network administrators have to be conservative. I know, I administer several networks. Most of them will not see Vista until SP1. This says nothing about Vista as an OS. I did the same with XP when it was released, and Server 2003, and Longhorn will follow the same pattern.
Kerry Brown Microsoft MVP - Shell/User vistahelp.ca

On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 22:37:50 -0500, DP wrote:

Actually, I had to follow some similar instructions to install VMWARE in PCLINUXOS. I followed the instructions step by step in the February Issue of PCLINUXOS magazine. It took me about 10 minutes to complete the instructions, but within an hour after that, I had Windows XP installed and running in a virtual machine. Now, I type vmware in a terminal and when it comes up, press the power on button. None of it required a rocket scientist to figure out, and it was fun. Of course, I enjoy my computer.
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What people probably mean is that your application needs are limited. Try using Visual Studio or .NET application for starters. Or open that business Word document or connect to corporate Exchange Server.
Free alternatives such as OpenOffice are there, but there is no guarantee that they will work all the time.
"Billy"

Amazing .. the same group of knuckleheads congregate around these types of posts
Makes you wonder, doesn't it? :)
Hope springs eternal ...
Rich

Adobe Acrobat Reader from Adobe.
I'd say that the best user experiene can be achieved if application is written for the specific OS. .NET is great for Windows. Objective-C is for Mac. And whatever Linux guys use in these days.
Java is the best crossplatform solution, but we all know that it can't beat ..NET on desktop. Don't tell me that C/C++ is a crossplatfrom solution. It takes forever to develop those.
"Adam Albright"

"Billy"

Yadda... yadda... yadda....
So am I (so can I) and I'm on a Windows 98SE box to boot, but I'm not brain-dead enough to feel that having a "chat" or running intant messenger has any importance what-so-ever.
Troll...

"Stephan Rose"

Interesting - thanks for that.

Kerry Brown wrote: