In personal computing I've left fingerprints on TRS, Apple II, Commodore, Atari, etc., and then Lisa and Mac. In PCs I went from DOS to W 3.1, 95, 98, and XP (missed ME and 2000), and have no experience with current Mac OS capabilities. I'm not a guru, but am no beginner...
I like Vista Home Premium better than anything else I've used. There were a few rough spots, but to me it seems excellent.
Perhaps I'm just lucky?

"Ike" wrote

Same here. I like it. There are plenty of bugs, of course, and the expected teething problems associated with a new OS release in terms of lack of driver support, and software compatibility but for the most part everything works fine on this nearly 5 year old P4 / 1GB RAM system. It's set up in a multi boot with several installations of XP Pro, but I rarely boot into XP any more, only to access an old email or to keep it updated. Vista will continue to improve.
Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]

No, you are not lucky nor are you the only one who likes Windows Vista. There is no such thing as luck, good or bad. Instead of luck, it is more what you make of a situation. You are simply a typical user looking at Vista without blinders.
Many people like Vista and many such as myself have been successfully using Windows Vista for over 6 months.
Jupiter Jones [MVP] www3.telus.net/dandemar dts-l.org
"Ike"

Ike wrote:

Luck has nothing to do with it. There is nothing wrong with Vista. You went to Vista with an open mind not expecting an "upgraded" XP. Most users are like you. Only the linux losers are making their last desperate effort at disturbing this ng. They have failed miserably. Frank

I purchased a new Hp Pavilion a1730n with Vista Home Premium on it and don't regret switching from Xp to Vista. I've had some small issues here and there, but nothing worth getting upset about and usually doing some searching either here or on Google came up with solutions to my problems.
Of course this is my opinion, and someone else may have had a different experience with vista. Maybe it has something to do with mine being purchased rather than built or upgraded to Vista, and I respect there options. I just wish the newsgroup could stay focused to helping those who are looking for answers instead of all the bickering about how Vista sucks or don't suck.
Dave "Rock"

I'm not ready to say I like it, nor am I ready to say I don't like it.
Mostly, it's that it seems more different from XP than previous Windows versions were from their predecessors. Or it's just that I'm so used to how XP (in classic mode) works, and where you find things, that the transition is a bit rough.
But it works fine on my newish Presario laptop, so far. Even some major apps that are a version or two behind current versions are working fine.
Mostly, I'm just pissed off that they went around changing so many defaults for no apparent good reason, and hide more of the settings that experienced users need to/want to change. And so many things work just a bit differently.
The core OS could have gotten its rewrite for security improvements without having to revamp the user interface so much.
Sheesh, it's just like going to WalMart. Where you saw something one week, it's not there the next. They move stuff around to get you to wander through the store more. It's a profit motive for WM - where the payoff for MS?
Val
"Ike"

Val wrote:

Well stated! This is what most users encounter, find and say.

That's the deal!

Obviously, to so radically change things, MS had very good reasons.

Good, thoughtful and truthful post. Thanks. Frank

Ok good for you, but out of curiosity, Why do you like vista? Give me the reasons....
thank you


"Ike"

No you are not, I love VISTA, solid, fast and easier to use
This is not the universe of Vista users. It is a place where problems are stated and solutions sought.
and ...
if you sift thru the average problem distribution on any given day here you see
Apps not written to use VISTA correctly hardware with NO or non working drivers problems of not understanding how to use an OS in general or VISTA specifically people who live to make their choice of OS 'SEEM' better by attempting to make VISTA "SEEM" worse ;) and goodness some real problems as well
this group reflects the same trend in information sifting in general, there is lots of deliberate misdirection going on and its up to you to sort it out. What would the internet be without hackers? What would this group be without the information hackers? ;)
You aren't lucky or alone you're in the MAJORITY so .. be happy
PS BS changes nothing, it just makes a mess of the shoveler

because you don't? .. I mean is there any better reason?
wheelhouse .. ;)
Rich

can i get an normal answer from the OP please?
"Rich"

Yet some people in here don't understand this...
its sad...
You know why they did this? Its a string of bad decisions because their intent was making vista different than xp, and they didn't have real improvements to give... in their struggle they made of mess of changing things that really had no meaning at all.. yep.. there is vista for you...

"Val"

"Tiberius"

heh .. a NORMAL?
you slipping?
Rich

No Ritch.. vista is bad by design...
My first and most important objection with it, is how they set up the gui, mainly the start menu, the search, the changes in some of the basic windows (like for example display where there is no more tabs but a stupid window with choises), the hidding of important menus and options,the inability to customize toolbars, the destruction of the DEFRAG interface, the choice of collors and fonts, did I say the hidding of features and options?
Then we go to performance.. that is very bad even if you have compatible drivers. Its a FAT and SLOW OS making your PC perform overall at least as half of what it can with XP.
The lack of drivers and program incompatibility will be solved with time.. (THIS TOO SHOULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED), but the real problems that remain are the above.
Now if you cannot see these vista problems, I suggest you have some problems..
and sorry to say this, but whoever uses vista and actually likes it MUST be stupid. What intelligent user would be blind to so many fundemental mistakes this OS has?
Sorry.. but its true...
"Rich"

Me wrote:

Frank

Tiberius wrote:

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Cut the crap you moron. Admit that you're lost in Vista and your friends (term used loosely) know more about it than you. Your personal opinion about Vista is very much in the minority. Get lemiux...they need a loser like you. Frank

OK, call me stupid then ;-)
Seriously, there are bugs and inconsistencies, but nothing that makes Vista unpleasant to use. As for things being done in a different way.....I actually prefer it. Makes me wonder if the Product Team had a Vulcan Mind Meld with my braincell ;)
Jane, not plain ;) 64 bit enabled :-) Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation ;-) MVP Windows Shell/User
"Tiberius"

I never care what the majority thinks... I am clearly a universal free thinker... haven't you understood this? I think out of the box, with no limits and constraints... I seek the deeper truth behind all. Most of the time, I find it, or have things under research until I do eventually find the truth there too.
I am the type of person that revolutionizes the world. Our kind, never cared what the belief system of the majority was... we know a greater truth, peruse it and utilize it to create new more outstanding things. We have a vision, a passion ...and are dedicated 100% to it. I don't expect you to understand, you have a very distorted and limited view of things.. You never took the time to question did you? You had the insults ready for launch... and this is because you don't really care. This lack of care is unfortunaly expected. I am not surprised... yet I wish this was not the case.
Many of the things you take for granted now, is a result of people like me. In time.. you too will benefit from my efforts... its ok.... in time if you are lucky, you will be given the chance of revelation.

"Frank"

Tiberius wrote:

First, it's at least as stable as XP Pro. And every problem I've encountered so far has cured itself - I have not seen ONE crash that led to a reboot.
Second, it's convenient. Finding things and doing things are easier and faster, though it was a week or so before I felt that way.
Third, I think it's safer, with better anti-this and protective-that.
Fourth, it looks better, and can be made to take on appearances that weren't possible with earlier OS's.
Fifth, it has features not available from XP. For example, some Gadgets seem useful.

Frank wrote:

I am certainly not a "Linux loser" (I don't even use Linux) and have been not overly impressed by Vista. I'm sure the flame wars will ensue as this message will seem like a troll post, but that is honestly not my intention. I am curious to know what people are actually liking about Vista.

Great! But this is not the same for the whole world. Is your computer new with vista preinstalled? Can you tell me the specs of your pc?

If you do have a very powerfull pc, then indexing does give you fast results and its ok to leave it on... But it also creates many problems. I cant go through them again in detail.. but beifly, its erronious results, slow appearence of changes, and slowdown of system. If you like indexing ok, but is not new technology... you can download free tools like google desktop, coperinc desktop, microsoft desktop search that add all that to xp.... and xp does have indexing too... but it was wisely turned off be default!

The only anti it has more is defender that is available for XP too .. UAC is not really a security messure, as MS itself admited this. And there was a test by an antivirus company to see if vista is really more secure than XP and they concluded its the same thing... The vista security is just a selling propaganda..

Actually you could do that with XP with windowblinds. I must aggree with you that the 3d desktop IS the only main improvment that Vista has to offer... but again.. here are some of the facts: It could have been done with lesser demands of hardware (see linux beryl thad has 3d with older cards) The glass interface is cool, but I would prefer to have more variations and MS not locking the styles as it did with XP> Now you have to either patch Vista, or use windowblinds which you could use with XP anyway to have the glass effects...

I have the vista sidebar running on XP now.. lol its possible.. I did it because I could.. not that I use it.. this is only a eye candy with no real significant use. Microsoft did it because YAHOO and MAC have their own similar versions. Now Google has its own version too. You may be surprised to see this but Google sidebar has an extremely similar sidebar.. and it also gives you search indexing desktop.google.com/ see the yahoo version here widgets.yahoo.com/gallery/
There is nothing that vista has that XP cannot have.. on the other hand because Vista has all this stuff it has bogged it down making it a very slow OS.... Its ok if you have the latest technology but some are installing vista on older machines because Microsoft says it can install on them. My opinion is that you should never install Vista on less than a dual core with less than 1.5 gigs of ram.

"I am the type of person that revolutionizes the world." Then the world in in for worse chaos. This world does not need the type of revolution caused by someone so morally weak he needs to prop up views with insults and slander as you have demonstrated.
If you refer to a revolution of honesty and integrity, what you describe is not it.
Or do you deny FALSELY accusing others of lying when you had NO proof other than they say what you dislike?
Jupiter Jones [MVP] www3.telus.net/dandemar dts-l.org
"Tiberius"

Vista UI ======
I like Vista. I think the user interface is what XP should have had. Microsoft had a mental glitch when they introduced XP and decided to treat their users like infants. Vista has put that right, and now we're adults again <g>.
Gone are the hideous Fisher Price colour schemes; gone are the patronising "My" prefixes in front of everything; gone are the ridiculous sound themes (trumpet fanfares and giggling children, for goodness' sake!!).
For the first time with a Microsoft OS I've opted to keep the standard colour scheme, the transitions and most of the sound effects. Compared with XP they are subtle and sophisticated, and actually work well.
There are lots of nice little touches, too, like the way the folder tree in Explorer automatically scrolls sideways to show nested folders.
In terms of the UI, Tiberius argues vigorously against the changes. His position seems to be that Microsoft HAD to make Vista look different from XP for marketing purposes, and that most of the changes they've introduced are retrograde steps. I understand that argument, although it is based on the assumption that XP was the "right" way to do it, and that most changes are therefore bound to make things worse. Well, I simply don't agree. I think XP could be, and has been, improved upon. I agree with some of Tiberius's specific criticisms of the Vista UI, but taken as a whole I think Vista is an improvement. And I expect Vista will be improved upon, too, in due course. The science of UI design is developing all the time.
Whether Vista's UI is better than XP's FOR YOU is something only you can answer. For me, I prefer it.
Vista under the hood =================
Like Tiberius, I'm puzzled as to why Aero and the new Windows Manager requires such a step up in processor power and memory, especially when some aspects have been replicated in Linux systems with much lower resource requirements. However, I'm not prepared to declare all the programmers in Microsoft incompetent. I'm still open to having it explained to me.
Meanwhile, I've read extensively about the changes inside the OS to make it more secure, more reliable and more fault tolerant. Indeed, this is where the majority of effort has gone, and in some ways it's a real shame these improvements aren't more visible to the average user. But it is quite clear to me that Microsoft have made some serious engineering improvements to Vista, some of which will only come to fruition in the future.
Bugs =====
Yep, it is still slightly "fragile", although I've had no major problems and there's no doubt it will greatly improve in this respect over the coming months as the patches and SPs come out.
In summary, I'm impressed by the engineering changes, I prefer the new UI, I've had no major reliability problems, and I'm optimistic that - in due course - Vista will be seen as the best version of Windows so far.
Thack

No. I love it. I use it at home and unfortunately have to use XP at work. XP seems (coz it is!) so o-l-d compared to Vista.
And I have not had one system hang requiring reboot in Vista, yet still, after 5 yrs (?) still have the need for this at work on XP every so often.
Stable, user-friendly AND beautiful to look at whilst using it...what's NOT to like in Vista?
Like you, I may have been lucky, but, if that's the case, thank goodness!
Rgds Rod Perth Australia "Ike"

I used nearly every computer since they used vacuum tubes to build them. But my opinion of VISTA is just the opposite. I can make it work, but I don't like the look & feel. Big Brother (UAC) looking over your shoulder all the time, and if you kick Big Brother out, he breaks things on his way out. There is no excuse for mixing things up & locking things down like that. It looks like a product of AOL not MS. Make it so the greenies can't screw it up, to hell with power users, they can love it 'as is' or leave it. Hmmm, AOL has to give their service away now... Maybe they're not so different after all...both in serious decline...
"Ike"

"Ike"

No you are not alone - welcome to the silent majority.
As to luck - I seem to have been lucky with previous versions as well, but strangely the more I have learned the luckier I seem to be.
Networking just worked, Easy File Transfer from XP just worked and no applications have blown up. I would however like a big switch labeled 'Advanced' somewhere but I can see that I am not the intended target user. Vista runs very quickly but I did take the precaution of getting it pre-installed with a dual core processor and 4 GB of RAM.
It is natural that this and other groups are populated by those who have encountered real problems and unfortunately by those with other agendae and nothing to contribute.
Tom

Ike wrote:

I have no problems running Vista. I like it better than any of the Windows O/S(s) I have used and I have used them all.

Lucifer welcomes you to the silent majority you wanted to say!
"Tom Allen"

Yes vista is not MS quality.... whoever they hired to design the thing screwed it up big time.
It seems like me they got collage boys to do the job, outsourced it to India, or as I have stated, brought chimps from Africa to do the design.
"Not Me"

Yes vista is not MS quality.... whoever they hired to design the thing screwed it up big time.
It seems like me they got collage boys to do the job, outsourced it to India, or as I have stated, brought chimps from Africa to do the design.
"Not Me"

I could write a whole encyclopedia about the reasons why Vista is a piece of crap!
"Rod Davies"

Ike wrote:

Or easily pleased. Just curious, what can Vista do that XP can't?
Alias

David Mokeler wrote:

How about explaining what Vista can do that XP can't do? Can you do that? I like it 'cause it's groovy isn't enough to justify the high cost of "upgrading".
Alias

Frank wrote:

Yeah, your smirks, belches, snorts and endless insults have given this newsgroup such a good name!
Again, what can Vista do that XP can't do?
Alias

Me wrote: