pcworld.com/article/id,131938-pg,1/article.html

"Jim"

from that article:
"...Responding to low-level but persistent grumbling from users about peripheral devices that won't work with Windows Vista, Microsoft Corp. claimed Wednesday that its new operating system now supports 1.9 million devices up from 1.6 million at Vista's launch in January. In a keynote speech at Microsoft's Windows Hardware Engineering Conference (WinHEC) in Los Angeles, Mike Nash, corporate vice president of Windows product management at the software vendor, blamed driver compatibility problems with about 4,000 devices for creating roughly 80 percent of the user complaints received thus far.
"It's a relatively small number of drivers that are driving most of the complaints," Nash said in an interview at WinHEC on Tuesday. He declined to identify which devices or vendors are most lacking in Vista support. "The key thing is that we have 95 percent coverage," he said. "It's good and getting better."
so he's saying that out of a whopping 1.9 million supported devices, there are really only 4,000 that are causing problems for people?
1.9 million devices? they must be separately counting all the keys on keyboards - and only 4000 are troublesome? - that's only 0.0021 percent. iow, a success rate of 99.9979%
totally laughable numbers - just more marketing to feed the sheep. ======================================= "We will make our products work out of the box." - Steve Ballmer =======================================

john wrote:
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"Roger Kay, an analyst at Endpoint Technologies Associates Inc. in Wayland, Mass., said the driver problems being experienced by Vista users are about the same as they were for early adopters of Windows XP except that now, "early adopters have a much louder megaphone in the blogosphere to air negative perceptions."
Get it? Frank

On Thu, 17 May 2007 10:02:03 -0400, "Jim" wrote:

Well duh... Taking Microsoft own figures... it claims that Vista "supports" 1.9 million device drives, then in the next breath admits only 9,000 have been submitted for certification testing. So that really means there are nearly two million device drivers that are suppose to work with Vista, and of that number only 9,000 have passed certification. Speaking from my own experiennce Microsoft's certification process isn't worth much. Since my Gigabyte MB claimed it "passed" certification, yet until recently still refused to work correctly with SATA drives.

Frank wrote:

Yeah, being an early adopter is stupid, be it XP or Vista. Strangely, this isn't true with Ubuntu.
Alias

Alias wrote:

You're good at lying aren't you. One only need visit the urbuttoo ng to see that. Frank

Frank wrote:

Those are mostly ex Windows users who are having problems. I haven't had a single problem.
Now, go have another beer and belch for us.
Alias

Frank wrote:

There's a learning curve for Ubuntu so the ex Windows users will need help and it's being give to them. Here no one helps anyone because no one really knows much about Vista and Vista, unlike Ubuntu, is not ready for prime time, just like XP wasn't upon release. Not one lie, Frankie. Maybe you should lay off the beer so you can *think*.
Alias

Indeed. Ubuntu was the only thing that has ever totally screwed up my machine.
Peter Toronto, Canada XP Pro SP2 x 2 + Vista Ultimate Triple Boot P4 dual HT 3.0ghz, 4gb DDR, 700gb HDD "Frank"

"Adam Albright"

that's true. if you do a scan of MS's HCL (winqual.microsoft.com/hcl/Default.aspx) and select all categories and both 32 & 64 bit - the "Certified" list only contains about 4,850 entries, while the "Works with" list contains even less.
even Allchin, as recently as December said Vista would only have support for about 19,500 devices. entmag.com/news/article.asp?EditorialsID=7989
1.9 million? I think Mike Nash (corporate VP of Windows product management) needs a trip to Radio Shack for a new calculator, the one he has now keeps adding 2 extra zeros. big difference between 19,000 and 1,900,000. - must be a marketing dept. calculator, the same one Bill G. uses to determine sales figures.
======================================= "I'm not sure how the company lost sight of what matters to our customers, both business and home, the most, but in my view we lost our way. I think our teams lost sight of what bug-free means, what resilience means, what full scenarios mean, what security means, what performance means, how important current applications are, and really understanding what the most important problems our customers face are" - Jim Allchin, former Platform Products and Services Group, Microsoft. =======================================

"Jim"

I'll stop grumbling if Microsoft stops lying... howzat sound?
======================================= "If you can't make it good, at least make it look good." - Bill Gates =======================================

Peter wrote:

How did it "totally screw up" your machine? I mean, the worst ANY OS can do is make you wipe the hard drive and start over with the machine TOTALLY intact. Did you seek out help in the Ubuntu forums?
Alias

I frequent these forums to better educate myself and I am grateful for the actual assistance that I have received over time. I credit my Windows knowledge to these forums and for those of you who have been helpful, thank you. For those of you who have no lives and know no other manner of communication other than the purely negative, I say: How pathetic. It truly does astonish me that grown ADULTS can be as petty as high school kids in here. If you could actually take an objective look at some of the posts, it's really quite creepy.
Perhaps it would be best to check the ego at the door and remember why people come here in the first place.
Linux, Windows, Mac...whatever. Ford, Chrysler, Jeep... same thing.
Personal taste is personal taste.
MarkyMarc43

"Vista, unlike UurButtToo is not ready for prime time" Ha HA HA!!! You crack me up.
"Alias" "Here no one helps anyone because no one really knows much about Vista and Vista, unlike Ubuntu, is not ready for prime time, just like XP wasn't upon release."
Alias

Alias wrote:

Frank

On Thu, 17 May 2007 18:31:58 +0200, Alias wrote:

Alias, I have tried Ubuntu, but I like PCLINUXOS better. It was very easy to run Windows XP on a virtual machine within Linux. I also tried Vista, and I was not impressed. I would not install an operating system on my computer that required reactivation every time that I updated the Sata drivers. Those reactivation people are nice, but you can barely understand what they are saying and I feel badly that they are probably making very little money and are living in a hovel somewhere. Their children probably qualify for the OLPC program. Can you imagine running Vista on an OLPC? Always insist on a live operator and help these poor people make a living. They are probably only getting a cup of rice and a couple of beans anyways. Maybe your call will make the difference and brighten their day. Update your drivers and call a live operator to reactivate your copy of Vista. Do it all the time and help them keep their job. Remember, you can never reactivate Vista enough times...Help the poor.
Bill
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Signed - A grown ADULT (Maybe not a mature adult, but a grown adult)
"MarkyMarc43"

Gary wrote:

Keep laughing but remember he who laughs last, laughs best. Now, go back to your stateroom in the MS sinking ship.
Alias

Bill wrote:

I've heard good things about PCLINUXOS and plan to try it.
It was very

Heh.
Alias

Frank took another swig of beer, belched, and lied:

Peter wrote:

Ubuntu didn't screw up your machine, YOU screwed up your machine. Because you didn't know wtf you were doing.
Love and Kisses, Doris
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Doris Day - MFB wrote:

He probably booted the Live CD and didn't hear the Windows jingle when the desktop loaded and thought it "screwed up his machine".
Alias

"MarkyMarc43"

just as pathetic as posting links to articles that make claims from MS marketing that are outright lies? (ie: Vista contains drivers for 1.9 MILLION devices...) do you consider those posts "objective"? shame on you if you do...
======================================= "If you can't make it good, at least make it look good." - Bill Gates =======================================

I thought it was "he who laughs last, thinks slowest...."
"Alias"

On Thu, 17 May 2007 14:27:50 -0400, "john" wrote:

I doubt there are 1.9 million devices for all operating systems combined. All the versions of Windows, Macs, UNIX, Linux, etc..
Seems highly suspect. Of course fanboys believe anything they're told.

"Alias"

I like how alias called millions of people stupid. "Is stupid", "does stupid", same thing.
How hard it must be to have to live on the same planet of all these people who he has (time and time again) made clear are far beneath him.

"Frank"

As usual alias has no clue as to what he's talking about. More then 90% of the questions in this NG are answered.
Just more lies and garbage from the weasel word master himself!

"Alias" wrote:

JEEEEEZZZZZZZZZZZZZ GIVE IT A REST!!! I'm beginning to think you LOVE your Ubuntu and I mean LOOOOVE your Ubuntu. I hope you're practicing safe sex with it.
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"Doris Day - MFB" wrote:

Must be why you can't run VISTA

Hey there Marky Marc,
Sounds like a little boys name. By the way, what are you doing on the computer now? Shouldn't you be in school?
Just FYI.
Karen Jane Panze (Not an MDN Subscriber)
"MarkyMarc43"

"bp"

HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! As frank has mentioned it's also named UrButtuu (or something like that) so to put it all together:
alias loves UrButtuu. I guess that explains his frustration over it as no one here will give him what he loves!

"Justin"

Another reason he had to skip the USA was to live in a country where his odiousness was to an extent hidden by a language gap..

"Alias"

A LOT of help is given here, and many people try hard to do so. But it's tough when every request for help is turned into an ad for alternate OS's.
"Buy a Ford!" is not really great advice to the Chevy owner with a flat tire.
Regards,
Rick Raisley

"Rick Raisley" <heavymetal-A-T-bellsouth-D-O-T-net>

Behind the Alias... tinyurl.com/2rkknx

"Julian"

HAHAHAHA!!! and I quote, "You ignore the rebuttals and respond with spam or personal insults."
Talk about a broken record!!! That's all he ever says!

Adam Albright wrote:

Neither is the upgrade advisor.

I had lots of problems with the NIC on my machine with Vista.
Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group: protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html
Most recent idiotic quote added to KICK (Klassic Idiotic Caption Kooks): "Very simple Nothing I like better than insulting Linsux losers, fanboys and trolls like you."
"Good poets borrow; great poets steal." - T. S. Eliot

bp wrote:

Good one! :-) Frank

"Justin" wrote in news:Ov2krRLmHHA.568 TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:

Yeah, like Alias is the only one here that repetively calls people stupid when he disagrees with them.

"DanS"

Are you referring to this tinyurl.com/2rkknx Alias?