Like a lot of people when I installed Vista on my computer I found that it was underqualified for Vista. My CPU was too slow (Athlon 1.5gig)and my hard drive was too small (25 gig). So I made the decision to build a new system so I could take advantage of the cool features of Vista. What a shock when I found Microsoft would not authenticate Vista on my new computer - even though I had salvaged the old computer. It said I could only install on one machine (my old one) and I needed to buy a new copy of Vista for my new machine. The guy said they are really clamping down on piracy. I tried to explain that this wasnt piracy but an honest effort to get the most out of Vista. I did not prevail. Faced with a new machine without an operating system I turned to my neighbor who is a computer guru and he loaned me a cdrom with a copy of a funny sounding program called Ubuntu? I installed it on my new dual core machine and is really great and it FLIES. He also gave me a copy of Open Office as my wife is an elementary school teacher and needs to do a lot of stuff for school. It to is amazingly fast and does everthing we need to do. I am not happy with Microsoft but at least I found a workaround. My neighbor said the workaround wont help for games as they need Vista or XP but I play games on my Xbox so no problem there.
Jim

Some people like me have 3 year old systems that are more than capable of running Windows Vista.
Yes, I am finally glad MSFT is clamping down on priacy.
Also, if your system was that old. You should have stuck with 32bit Windows XP Home or Pro.
But glad you got a dual core that is capable of handling it. Enjoy.
"Jim" wrote:

Jim wrote:

I tried to install Urbuntu on my computer and it wouldn't recognize my Matrox P750 video card and would not install. I'm sure a few people find linux ok but it is not for me and seems not to be for the masses. I have three versions of Vista installed and just really like it! All of my software works and I have no problems with any hardware drivers. Vista is a very good operating system. Frank (a real Vista user)

I guess you haven't figured out how to use newsgroups in the Ubuntu supplied email program as you are posting directly to the crappy web newsgroup interface.
Go troll elsewhere.

Regards,
Richard Urban Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
Quote from George Ankner: If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
"Jim"

I would have prefered Vista too. Don't get me wrong. I am not saying Ubuntu is better than Vista - its just that I can't afford to buy a second copy right now. Maybe later I will. You must be rich, Frank!
"Frank" wrote:

Windows has always required that you buy a license for each PC - was this news to you ?

Mike Brannigan "Jim"

=?Utf-8?B?Smlt?= wrote in news:B657249D-E5DB-40B9-8B77-ECB73B98F46A microsoft.com:

What "guy" were you talking to? If you remove vista from the old machine, then call Microsoft you should be able to get authorization to install the OS on your new system.

does your friend know how to dual boot Ubuntu 7.04 and Windows Vista without having to reinstalling Vista and creating a partition or using any partition programs.
"Jim" wrote:

Jim wrote:

No I'm not rich. I have a small business and Vista is a part of my business expense. I must be able to interface with the rest of the business world otherwise I'm dead in the water, so to speak. I can't efficiently or effectively do that with any distro of linux. Frank

The "guy" was someone in sales and he said that I have to buy a separate copy for each machine I have. He said that this is not a new policy but Microsoft has always had this policy. Since I already had put it on my old machine I could not put it on another machine. I realize that Microsoft has probably lost a lot of money through piracy and I guess thats the reason for this.
"Red Swingline Stapler" wrote:

"Jim"

First, let's qualify the problem. WHAT VERSION of Vista did you buy? Was it OEM?
If it was OEM then yes, you screwed yourself when you installed it on the old machine. No getting around that one.
If it was full retail then there is no reason AT ALL that you could not reinstall on upgraded hardware and who ever you spoke to lied to you.

Frank wrote in news:#EUpm4kkHHA.3388 TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

Based simply on a lack of drivers for your video card.
Next time, do the proper research FIRST before trying to install an OS on hardware that doesn't have the proper drivers.
(Sound familiar ?)

I'm using my Thinkpad with XP and not Ubuntu, so what am I doing wrong with the newsgroup interface? It does seem kind of klunky.
"Richard Urban" wrote:

On Wed, 09 May 2007 07:45:04 -0700, Frank wrote:

I beg to differ. Installed Linux on the public access internet computers at the local library two years ago. Since then we've added five more Linux seats. The patrons adapted easily without instruction, and we've had no complaints. The director previously was called to the floor several times per day to help patrons with internet difficulties - since Linux, no calls. It just works and everyone is quite happy. The machines are usually very busy from opening to closing every day. Installed OpenOffice.org, AbiWord and Gnumeric and most frequently used browser plugins and all is cool. Count now is: 9 Linux seats, 1 MS.

The Windows Mail newsgroup interface was harmed by an update (KB931768) originating from Microsoft on 05/08/2007.
Other than that, Use Windows Mail to setup and work with the newsgroups instead of the web interface. You can keep better track of what is being posted and the responses to the original posts.

Regards,
Richard Urban Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
Quote from George Ankner: If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
"Jim"

Thanks. I do have the full version and I guess I just need to find the right person at Microsoft. I was really disappointed to get my new machine built (AMD Dual Core 4400, Geforce 7300GT, 3 gigs of ram, 160 gig HD) install Vista try to authenticate and it wouldnt let me. So if what you say is true its just a case of finding the right person at Microsoft. I'll try again.
"Justin" wrote:

Frank wrote: ....

The majority of the business world stay with WinXP SP2 - at least, as long SP1 for Vista is not out. So could you;-)
Roy

DanS wrote:

Frank is a business man, not a researcher;-)
r c

"Roy Coorne"

And time is Money.... ;-)

On 5/9/2007 8:24 AM On a whim, Frank pounded out on the keyboard

Hi Frank,
Curious by your comments. What did Vista do to "interface with the rest of the business world" that XP or W2K can't do?
Of every business I work with (all with 25 or more workstations), none have any plans involving Vista for the long term. The only ones I've seen are individuals, and most of those aren't real happy with their personal decisions, due to the amount of time they've spent on a new OS with no real benefits.
Terry
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ray wrote:

small library is statistical proof one could use to extrapolate any kind of marketing evidence that linux is for the masses, you’re only fooling yourself. Frank

Roy Coorne wrote in news:uSNLzNlkHHA.5024 TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:

Not relevant.
Many of the people here that have Vista running clean & smoothly on their PC blame people here having problems for 'not doing the proper research and making sure you have all the proper Vista drivers available for your hardware BEFORE upgrading a PC to Vista.' (And NOT saying that Frank had told this to people looking for help.)
I am just making an observation that this is another point that Vista and any Linux distribution in common.
And pointing out that it was his fault Ubuntu didn't work. ;)

"DanS"

I know this is hard for you to understand but in some cases INSTALLING is the research. The difference here is that Frank isn't making bold claims of linux based on that one experience. He simply gave his findings.
I understand what you MEANT to imply with that comment but it was unfounded.

"DanS" >

WRONG! 99% of the time people are blamed for not doing research when they come to this NG and "RIP VISTA A NEW ONE" when the plain simple fact of the mater is they clearly had poor drivers.
Frank id not RIP LINUX A NEW ONE.
Apples and oranges buddy.

"Roy Coorne"

I agree, before I retired last Dec. we were still using XP SP1 at work. They were just beginning to switch to SP2.
The usual approach is to set up a few trial PCs running the new OS/software, and try out all of the business software apps that need to run. Get all the bugs worked out offline, before rolling out the updated OS platform to all users for business use.

"Terry"

When did XP and W2K come into the discussion? They where talking about linux and windows in general. No one said Vista performs where XP and W2K can't.

Roy Coorne wrote:

We only run six total computers and only bought 3 Vista seats. Two of the Vistas are dual/triple booting XP Pro, (2 x32, 1 x64), 4 XP Pro seats (3x32, 1x64) and are running WHS beta 3 which is basically a SBS. We also run Win98SE on VirtualPC 2007 for some older stuff that a few clients still have. So far so good. Frank

"Frank"

Although he brought up a valid point. Linux desktop is pretty much for internet use and 99% of the time that's all people report using it for :)

"Jim"

Don’t ever believe sales guys :)

While that's true, that has nothing to do with your upgrade. After you upgraded did you have two different machines of which you wanted to run Windows twice?

Another machine would be a whole second computer. Not an upgraded one.

"Jim"

I'm guess there was a miscommunication with the first guy you spoke to.
If I understand you correctly, you upgraded your old machine? So you are left with only ONE computer? Not TWO computers right?
If you told them you had an old computer and you built a new one he might have mistaken that as you now have TWO computers that you want to install Windows on.

Jim wrote:
Not very good troll, I give it about a 3 on the Troll-O-Meter.
TROLL-O-METER ..1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8.9.0. ^

On Wed, 09 May 2007 07:34:02 -0700, Jim wrote:

Complete and utter BS.
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What I am doing is building a new box and am not using any of the compoenents from the old computer that has Vista on it. I will wipe the hard drive of the old box and donate it to Purple Heart. So I will only be using Vista on one computer - the new one I just built. So where does that leave me.
"Justin" wrote:

On Wed, 09 May 2007 09:24:12 -0700, Frank wrote:

I agree, if anyone just needs email and browsing and they don't need games or interfacing with MS Apps, then a linux station is a good plan, but if you have to interact with others and MS documents, then linux is not a good platform.
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