I dl'ed version 7 of Urbuttoo and it won't install on my computer. It can't recognize my Matrox P750 video card. What a piece of crap! Frank

Join the club, I upgrade my computer to high-end everything except the 3 year old 3400+ AMD64 processor.
I go to install Fedora Linux and it tells me that the graphics card is not supported. I go on to ATI's website and it doesn't have drivers for my graphics card in Linux 32 or 64 bit form. Oh, my graphics card is ATI's current top of the line X1950 Pro.
"Frank" wrote:

(FYI, I'm Frank Bright, a different 'Frank' from the author of this thread)
All the recent discussions about Ubuntu had gotten me curious, so 2 nights ago, I booted from an Ubuntu CD to see what it's like.
At first I did get a thrill simply running Linux, just because I had never done it before (I'm a real Non-techie when it comes to code), then as I poked around, I saw that the interface was kind of bland and boring.
I myself have nothing against Linux (nor Bill Gates for that matter), but I have come to the conclusion that there is just as much hype around the Linux stuff as there is around anything else in the tech world. For instance, right away, my wireless didn't work, but I didn't spend too much time on it either. I was mainly poking around.
Linux does take time to learn, and I sense that the open source aspect (and maybe the price as well) give people who use Linux more of a sense of control. And while there is nothing wrong with that, I do think it's wrong for Linux disciples to go around peddling this as if it were a simple switch over - "Oh, use Ubuntu! It's Free!"
It's like saying to someone who is clearly not computer savvy, "Oh, just go into the Bios and make these changes and you'll be fine!" It's very misguided.
Now, I have Vista on this laptop upon which I was tinkering with Ubuntu and I have 2 partitions on the hard drive. I did try to install Ubuntu on the 2nd partition, and I will say the install is fairly easy, but even here, I got to the point where I was telling Ubuntu which partition to install upon and I hit a block there, so I never finished the install.
As I said in another post, Vista may have a lot of graphic eye candy, but we look at our screens a lot when we're at a computer, so it's worth it to have a nice looking graphic interface.
I applaud Vista for up-ing the bar when it comes to making better looking desktop graphics. It's long overdue. Here is where Vista clearly surpases the Mac.
Thanks, Frank Bright


"Frank"

You could run it under Vista inside Virtual PC 2007, being that its free.
"Frank Bright" wrote:

On Wed, 09 May 2007 06:55:07 -0700, Frank wrote:

That's been my general impression - the Matrox P750 is indeed a piece of crap.

Frank Bright wrote:

Well at least you got it to install (well sort of). I tried but I didn't get anywhere with it. Frank (the other one)

ray wrote:

So how did you get ubuntu to install using your Matrox P750 video card? Frank

Frank Bright wrote:

Yet you comment on it like you did.
Alias

Frank wrote:

Vista has problems with video cards too. How come you're not calling Vista a piece of crap? Maybe, like Justin, you need an eight year old to help you install Ubuntu.
Alias

Frank wrote:

Why would he use a piece of crap? Try an ATI card.
Alias

On Wed, 9 May 2007 07:58:05 -0700, Sasha wrote:

If you add the cost of the Vista anytime upgrade to run Virtual PC 2007 to run the free Ubuntu... is that really free? You just end up paying more to MS and you still have no guarantee that Ubuntu will work on your virtual pc.
Al

On Wed, 09 May 2007 08:26:33 -0700, Frank wrote:

There are approximately 369 other Linux distributions available. Any decent video card will work with the vesa driver for starters. You can fiddle later.

Good post. While I really like Ubuntu, I'm also a geek. I like to play around with it. For a real Linux challenge, try Gentoo. You can customize it to exactly how you want it, but you need to know what you are doing. Linux can look awesome, but you have to do your homework and be somewhat of a geek.
Vista has a much smaller learning curve.
I love Vista, but I don't hate the other operating systems. Linux has it's place, but I don't see it replacing Windows on the desktop any time soon. If you think Vista has compatibility problems, try using a custom driver developed from some guy in Germany that only offers the source code that needs compiled with no support or docs on how to do it... That happens frequently in Linux...
Dustin Harper dharper vistarip.com vistarip.com
"Frank Bright"

A failed install process is enough to make people shy away from a product that YOU recommend so entheusiastically.

Regards,
Richard Urban Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
Quote from George Ankner: If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
"Alias"

Frank wrote:

You need a new pair of glasses - you can't even recognize the sequence of letters "u b u n t u";-) Maybe you wish to upgrade to a Millennium G550 or G400;-)
r O y

Richard Urban wrote:

When you say you tried to install it, I don't believe you. I think you're just blowing hot air.
Alias

Alias wrote:

You can't possibly be as dumb as you sound. Or can you? Frank

ray wrote:

Calling Matrox P750 video card..."a piece of crap" does nothing in helping to install unbuntu. You only show your ignorance and intolerance for anything you either don't know about or have not used. In fact this kind of response is identical in tone to those Vista responses that the linux crowd have been railings against in this ng. You and linux are no better than they are. Frank

Frank wrote:

What's "dumb" is you thinking that an ad hominem is the proper way to debate the issues.
Alias

Why would you have to upgrade Vista? Virtual PC 2007 installs and runs fine in Basic and Premium. Its just not "supported", but it runs just the same.
Kurt
"Alfred Kaufmann" =

I have installed the latest three versions successfully (under VMWare Workstation) and have already provided you with the proof about 2-3 weeks ago in one of the mile long threads. Seeing as how we look at each others post with scrutiny I am sure you saw the screen shot I posted.

Regards,
Richard Urban Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
Quote from George Ankner: If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
"Alias"

Alias wrote:

Oh, vs. your blithering barrage of non sequiturs when you don't have a real response? Excuse me, but get a freakin life you loser. Oh, and one other thing, get a real name ok. Otherwise people are beginning to think that you're actually some kind of an ex-patriot fugitive. You don’t have any wants or warrants do you? Don’t lie! Frank

Roy Coorne wrote:

I much prefer urbuttoo. It kind of says it all. :-) Frank

"Alias"

We know alias, everyone is a lair even though you can't prove otherwise. Do we need to go back to all the quotes I've provided proving WITH FACTS that you have lied many times?

"Alias"

Typical linux apologist. Anything that doesn't work with linux must be crap!

"ray"

Yup, and that's about how many distros a business would have to support to get all their desktops up and running.
Or they can use ONE windows distro.
Hum...........choices, choices, choices...

"Alias"

Point us to the thread where someone couldn't use Vista in a decent manor because of a lack of video driver.
Also, no one makes bold Vista claims of it working on ALL hardware. Only linux dummies make such claims about linux.

"Frank"

Fat chance of that happening! :)

"Frank"

I like Uboodooboo myself. Ooo-boo-due-boo

Richard Urban wrote:

I don't believe you. No, sir, I don't read all of your posts but posting a screen shot only shows you know how to copy something and is no proof.
Alias

Justin wrote:

Huh?

Yawn.
Alias

Justin wrote:

Using an ATI card is a solution. Your post is just more insults. Even your sacred Vista has problems with hardware.
Alias

Frank wrote:

First insult:

Second insult:

I have a "real" name. It's just none of your business. For all we know your real name is Harry Pusey.

Spain has an extradition treaty with the USA. Oops.
Third lying insult:

I repeat, ad hominem attacks seem to be all you have.
Alias

Justin wrote:

I've never lied and you can't prove I have.
Alias

"Alias"

You call telling someone to buy new hardware a solution? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Justin wrote:

Most manors are pretty decent and expensive. Vista has problems with some nVidia cards and you know it, liar.

I've never made that claim. Linux won't work with winmodems, for example. Linux has a hard time with Lexmark printers, another example.
Alias

Frank wrote:

Yep, it says it all about YOU, not Ubuntu.
Alias

Justin wrote:

Did the two of you get your jollies off by making fun of the other kids' names when you were in grade school?
Alias

"Alias"

Oh brother. I can’t believe you had the balls to cough up that one!
To recap before I waste my time searching.
1. You claimed that Spain has NO pot. Then I catch you later claiming you know people that grow it (in Spain) AFTER I post proof that pot is legal in Spain.
2. I mentioned you did drugs and you called that a LIE. Then I posted a QUOTE from you stating that haven't done pot since 1989. Another lie.
There are many others and everyone can read them for themselves:
groups.google.com/groups?as_q=alias+lie&num=100&scoring=r&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_ugroup=microsoft.public.windows.vista.general&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=&lr=&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=9&as_maxm=5&as_maxy=2007&safe=off

Alias wrote: