How I define "elegant" ...
Running a file system that is journaled so that your data is protected from power outages for example.
Running a file system that doesn't require defragging.
Running a file system where it doesn't matter how many drives you have they are all mounted under the root file system. Even drives on other computers on your LAN or across the Internet.
Being able to run a GUI application remotely across your LAN or across the Internet.
Having access to over 20,000 software packages at the click of a mouse, downloaded and installed from the Internet. All free.
Being able to completely remove a software package without fear that bits have been left behind.
Having all your system configuration stored in plain text documents so you can edit them locally or from across the Net.
Having detailed logs of just about everything your computer is doing.
Being able to run an operating system on a wide variety of platforms, not just Intel hardware.
Running a true multi-user operating system and being able to access user accounts from anywhere in the world.
Being able to run an operating system on something as simple as a standalone router all the way to a cluster of super computers and most anything in between.
Being able to run a computer connected to the Net and not worry about any malware.
Being able to mount a directory that exists on some other computer across the world and have the directory look and act like it was on your own hard drive/desktop.
Having up to 16 independent desktops, each running applications and with a mouse wheel switch between them.
Being able to jump between an assortment of different window managers/desktops, all running concurrently with a simple CTL-ALT-Fx.
Being able to mount an ISO, so that it looks like a CD/DVD.
Having access to a command prompt that makes one line commands do everything from ripping DVDs to changing video files from mpeg, avi, flash, quicktime.
Being able to run the most advanced 3d desktop with very little resource demands.
Having 175 processes running and no slowdown in any app one is running.
Having the ability to devote virtual memory to a drive partition.
Being able to run a complete GUI operating system from a CD or a flash drive.
Being able to clone a hard drive, move it to another machine and have your whole operating system and data up and running on another computer, even with a different chipset.
Being able to run the operating system on all your computers in your home or business and even give away copies to friends, all for free.
Being able to listen to your media without being encumbered with DRM.
Being able to build an SQL based database of all your music on your local computer or across your LAN for instant playback.
Being able to stay on the leading edge of operating system innovations with upgrades available every 6 months rather than every 6 years.
Being able to control *all* aspects of a remote computer using a common web browser.
The list goes on and on. Man, is Linux ever great and "elegant".
Love and Kisses, Doris
My Microsoft Hero (he loves this company!) ... tinyurl.com/yp9cn2 Title Says It All ... tinyurl.com/2ssodl

And if you think Linux is so great why are you here ??....Probably because Linux is NOT what you seem to have a wet dream about and have to post here....Bottom line, GET A FRICKIN LIFE and go post somewhere where the rest of the Linux amateurs go !!! "Doris Day - MFB"

Do you have a question about Vista?
I can't tell from this post?
Doris Day - MFB wrote:

I always ask:
ELEGANT or ELEPHANT?
I see a swirming trunk somewhere behind the lampost... nope you cannot hide.. FATSO VISTO.

"Doris Day - MFB"

<snip>>

Yeah... but you forgot:
Having a learning curve so steep that self-absorbed malcontents who master it think it's OK to look down their noses at folks who use Windows.
Hum-bug. It's fanatics like you who scare people AWAY from Linux. You just don't get it...
Lang

Lang Murphy wrote:

I'm a newbie to Linux Ubuntu and I find it very user friendly. I also find that the support by experienced users is MUCH more friendly than from the Microsoft Boys and Girls. Your mind set regarding Linux is about five years old.
Alias

"Alias"

That's a pretty funny statement considering I'm running Ubuntu here on a laptop and in a VM. Got Solaris and SUSE running in VM's too. My mind set regarding Linux is fine; I'm not anti-Linux, I've never posted a negative comment in this NG regarding Linux.
If you consider my dig at DD to be anti-Linux, then I think you need to read a little deeper, to get at the true meaning of what I posted. Sorry, but I won't spell it out for you.
And speaking of five year olds... your comment to Colin Barnhorst, one of the most level headed, and most helpful, folks to -ever- post in this NG of "you want some cheese with that whine."? Yeah, that was mature and friendly.
Lang

Doris Day - MFB wrote:

Oh Doris, your delusional again. Elegant is what you used to call your hair style, but alas, that too is long gone. Frank

Spocks Buddy wrote:

The only elephant you see is the one looking back at you in the mirror. Frank

Lang Murphy wrote:

Linux, why do you think others cannot master it? Are you superior? I, on the other hand, think that most computer users with a little effort, can learn to use Linux and see all the elegance this operating system has to offer.

Love and Kisses, Doris
My Microsoft Hero (he loves this company!) ... tinyurl.com/yp9cn2 Title Says It All ... tinyurl.com/2ssodl

On Tue, 01 May 2007 07:37:54 -0700, Doris Day - MFB wrote:

There is nothing special about Linux. I've tried seven installs of various flavors so far over the years and wasn't impressed enough with any of them to switch from Windows. My experince, wannabe geek types are drawn to it like a moth to a flame, mostly for bragging rights. Sorry, I'm not impressed either withthe OS or the blowhards that pretend it is superior.
The reality is there is little professional grade software that works under that platform and that is the main reason it is rejected by the greater general universe of users from raw beginners to very experienced highly technical users. It just don't cut it. Smart people KNOW that. Pity you're not smart enough to figure it out on your own.

There's nothing to get. Geez man, its just a operating system. A good one stays in the background. Show me anybody impressed over a operating system and I'm looking as some anti-social geek wannabe that think he's a big sh*t just because he runs Linux. What a crock. Grow up.

"Adam Albright"

Another rant from the weasel word king himself. As usual you give a VERY broad and generalized opinion of something that is unjustified and can be grossly mistaken. At the VERY LEAST you need to separate server level Linux and desktop level Linux.
Linux is top dog when it comes to countless appliances and application servers. When you buy a firewall does it come with WindowsCE? Not likely.
Why is your post a trolling rant? Here you go, "It just don't cut it. Smart people KNOW that."
You just can't help yourself when it comes to being a complete a$$.
Certain server level applications - Linux is great!
I still don't see how I can take a single distro and apply it across 300+ desktop PCs without ripping my hair out!

Adam Albright wrote:

You need to be more precise.
If you had said "there is little professional grade APPLICATION software that works under that platform", you would be correct. Office, Quicken, Turbo Tax, ad infinitum are simply THE REASON for using Windows over Linux (or for that matter, Mac OSX).
However, the term "software" in a generic sense is simply incorrect. For scientific and server software (2 areas I use extensively), Linux does just fine and arguably has better choices.

It's all about using the right tool for the job at hand. On my desk, I have Windows (and am SUFFERING through with Vista, day 2). In my server room, I have 99% Linux. My web developer happens to use Mac OSX and is a decent choice.

Chris

"Doris Day - MFB"

I wrote that I am running Linux. I never claimed to be an experienced Linux user. Needless to say, there is a difference. From your posts I assume that you are an experienced Linux user.
And, no, you -still- don't get it. And since you don't seem to comprehend what it is you don't get, I'll expand: you don't get that anyone should be able to use whichever OS they want to without having other folks blather on unceasingly about how that OS sucks and the OS -they- use is so much better.
You know... a quick search through alt.os.linux.ubuntu for "Vista" only returns a handful of posts from a single person who has a couple of quotes about it in his signature. I could find no Vista troll postings in that NG. Hmm... I could not find any postings from you either, oddly enough. No postings from you in alt.os.linux either.
Your agenda is quite clear: post derisive and condescending off topic screeds that insult just about every person that uses Windows. Aren't you special?
Lang

<snip>

Not sure if you were reponding to my quote above or to DD. And... you make the point I was making, that DD doesn't get it, exactly, just with different wording.
Lang

Justin wrote:

You could install it on one computer and then clone it's disks to all the others. Presto, all are running Linux.
Love and Kisses, Doris
My Microsoft Hero (he loves this company!) ... tinyurl.com/yp9cn2 Title Says It All ... tinyurl.com/2ssodl

"Doris Day - MFB"

Sorry, it doesn't work like that. Driver hell! Not all the machines are the same. I've already gone down this road.

Frank wrote:

The hair or the style?

Justin wrote:

Might have to make *adjustments* to the video config and maybe the soundcard settings, but essentially everything else will install as required.
Love and Kisses, Doris
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Doris Day - MFB wrote:

If that's so, then there's been a new distro released that no one else has ever heard of. One some distros, you're lucky if you can get the mouse and video (above a 16-color, 640x400 display, that is) working at the same time. This I know from first-hand experience.

Bruce Chambers
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Bruce Chambers wrote:

You've installed Ubuntu? Sure. I just installed Feisty Fawn 7.04 and everything works. It took me all of a little less than two hours to install the OS and all the programs I wanted. Video at 1280x1024 on an old CRT LG Flatron monitor. Sound, mouse, keyboard all work great.
Alias

Alias wrote:

Nope. Never claimed I had, as yet. But I didn't realize that Ubuntu is the only existing Linux distro. When did that happen?

Good for you. But what about your statements in another thread that your printer and fax still weren't working after two months? I know you've subsequently resolved the issue, but that doesn't erase it from history.


Bruce Chambers
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Bruce Chambers wrote:

It's the happening distro. Try it.

Nor does the fact that I also posted that I just didn't get around to it and, when I did, it was a piece of cake. Setting up a fax in Windows takes a bit of configuration too, yaknow, as does a printer.
Alias

Alias wrote:

Vista automatically installed the correct printer drivers for my Canon & Epson printers. The Canon's are circa '03 and the Epson's are '05. FAX is only a matter of entering needed info, i.e., name, phone# and station id. Obviously it is not your professed love of all things linux that keeps you here (along with the "other" linux losers) but is your deep seated hatred of all things MS. How anyone could be so driven by their hatred of a software company or any company for that matter, is a demonstration of the power of human hatred. I'm always amazed at that power! I truly pity people like you and thank God every day that fear and hatred have not ruled my life. Frank

Bruce Chambers wrote:

at 640x400 (actually 480 is the correct vertical resolution). I think not. The problem isn't with the distro, it's with the guy sitting between the keyboard and the chair. In this case, it was you.
Love and Kisses, Doris
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Alias wrote:

"Happening?" I've never thought of an OS as a fashion statement or fad, but rather as a tool. Different perspectives, I guess.

That's a change in the story that I hadn't seen..... Just think of it?

Two or three mouse clicks, yes.

Bruce Chambers
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Doris Day - MFB wrote:

Redhat, if it matters.

Typo noted. Happy?

And who is that always accused Windows defenders of blaming the user? Pot, meet kettle; kettle, pot. (And it was the video drivers that proved to be bad. Just what one would expect from something cobbled together by a group of strangers for use on an OS cobbled together by a larger bunch of strangers. That's another one of Open Sources weaknesses: no quality control, by design.)

Bruce Chambers
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"Bruce Chambers"

He loves to praise ubuntu. Fact is, the 6.x version failed to load my video card and this new 7.x version wont even install.
Linux for desktop can take a flying leap! I went to the launch party today for Forefront and System Center and all I can say is WOW!!!! Linux is about as centrally manageable as my old corded phone when compared to everything being released now for Windows.

Frank wrote:

I don't hate "all things" MS. I like XP and use it every day, albeit less and less than before. The initial reason I began to consider Linux was due to the WPA, WGA, WGA/N, DRM and SPP "anti piracy" crap. Had MS never instituted that crap, I would have never, ever, even thought about, much less install and use, Linux. You may think I am weird but being accused of piracy and having to prove my innocence not once, not twice, but three times was just too much.
Once I installed Linux Ubuntu 6.06, I was pleasantly surprised at how user friendly it is and how *everything* on your computer is updated through the Ubuntu update. It was also refreshing to find out I didn't have to have an AV or a software firewall hogging up resources and that I didn't have to constantly be updating anti malware programs such as Spybot and AdAware. Then, yesterday, I installed the new version, 7.04 and am even more pleasantly surprised at the improvements over 6.06.
Alias

Bruce Chambers wrote:

The WOW starts now.

No, you missed my post.

I guess you've never set up a fax in XP. What are the steps?
Alias

Justin wrote:

I see you haven't found an eight year old to help you install Ubuntu yet.
Alias

Bruce Chambers wrote:

All the MS staff are friends of yours that you would trust or are they "strangers"? The only control I see with MS is "piracy" control.
Alias