The MS fanboys and their supporters constantly say that phone activation is "no big deal". It seems, then, that when one calls, one is always activated. If so, what's the point?
Alias

What is the point of your existence? And, who cares that you do?

Regards,
Richard Urban Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
Quote from George Ankner: If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
"Alias"

Anyone who can see MS's point of view could answer that: protoplasmic entity proof - not a bot. Advances in voice synth and programming can't get past the Turing test yet.
"Alias"

Richard Urban wrote:

I didn't think you could answer the question with anything other than your usual insults.
Alias

I asked a question and stated true a fact.
Where do you see an insult in that?
I strongly suggest that you consider posting here to be with others of your kind psychtracker.com/index.php

Regards,
Richard Urban Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
Quote from George Ankner: If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
"Alias"

Alias,
I am neither a fan nor a supporter, and this thing, among others, such as calling-home-at-their-chosen-time, and so on will eventually drive me farther away.
It is not a question about if but as to when. I won't be surprised that many will be the same.
On the other hand, I do think putting more efforts on developing viable alternatives should be priority one. I am sorry but I just don't think now is the time, and as mentioned before, OS or platform is not the key.
OK, one more tip - This company fortifies its positions with four strategic lines - OS (server and desktop), Office, Development Tools, and Misc.(games, hardware, and so on) and very soon it will focus on the Web applications for another major transformation (which is very good).
So no one can compete with it just by one single item, it takes more than that.
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"Alias"

You already know the answer to this and you disagree with the answer (choices MS has taken). How do I know this? Because it's already been discussed in this NG MORE THEN ONCE with you as an active participant.
So what's the point of your thread here if not to start YET ANOTHER flame war?
Another troll has set out some flame bait.

Richard Urban wrote:

No, you didn't, and you know it.

If you have to ask, you'll never know.

Can't help yourself, can you?
Alias

xfile wrote:

That's all fine and good but, if everyone is activated via the phone, what's the point?
Alias

Alias wrote:

From a logical perspective there can only be one point. It maintains the very special relationship that Microsoft expects between itself and its customers. It ensures that Microsoft customers MUST be enslaved to the whims of Microsoft. There is always the chance that Microsoft will not activate a particular system and that is good enough to keep the control over the user that Microsoft has enshrined in both its EULAs and its dominance of the world's desktops. It is all about control and tying in the customer to the seller.
As you've found out Alias, the only way to escape, is to run an alternative operating system. Unfortunately, many cannot even visualize a world free of corporate domination in all aspects of their lives. What's good for General Motors is good for the World - so goes the mindset. And that is precisely what they (the corporate elite) want everyone of us to believe.
Love and Kisses, Doris
My Microsoft Hero (he loves this company!) ... tinyurl.com/yp9cn2 Title Says It All ... tinyurl.com/2ssodl

"Alias"

Wow! This is very interesting. This is person #12 (?) having to explain these things to you alias. Don't you find it odd that more and more people are having to make the EXACT SAME comments to you?
"What is the point of your existence?"
A question, not an insult. The answer is...no point at all.
"And, who cares that you do?"
Again, a question. The answer is....not me!
Now, you'll probably find my answers to those questions insulting as you well should.
Now we just need your buddy adam to come in at the end of the thread and give his meaningless input.

"Alias"

Ok, I'll bit. This is a grossly exaggerated assumption on your part. Start with that and see where you wind up.

Justin wrote:

You've met someone who's been turned down? I haven't, nor have I seen anyone post that they had either here or on xp.general.
Alias

Justin wrote:

Don't know the answer, eh?
Alias

Justin wrote:

Please get back to me when you finish your reading comprehension course and have studied what a rhetorical question is.
Until then, STFU.
Alias

"Alias"

That's your ASSumption. I understood the questions just fine and was able to answer them.

Hehehe...someone is at his wits end! When are you going to give up? And when are you going to learn to stop pulling that "reading comprehension" card when I have COUNTLESS times busted you for not understand most of what you read?
Seriously alais, that pot you love so much is truly messing up your brain!!!

"Alias"

Yes, as a matter of fact I have. Dell laptop. MS told him to go back to Dell. I believe I also posted that bit of info IN THIS NG. Fetch!

"Alias"

The answer was already given to you. But this is all you have to fall back on.
We all know that you think piracy is much larger then legal users. So that is where you fail in the first place. Go ahead alias, argue like you always do and object to this statement. By doing so, you will debunk this entire thread and all your BS.

Justin wrote:

I haven't smoked pot since 89, yaknow, around the time you were born.
Alias

Justin wrote:

That was because Dell had to support activation and so it therefore doesn't count. Name me ONE person who had a generic OEM or retail version of XP or Vista that was turned down for reinstalling Windows on the same machine or a different one for that matter. You can't. It's, like Doris says, all about control and using fear to keep your little derrières in line. If MS were to come out with a brand new WGA for Vista, you would download and install it in a New York second. All MS has to do is call it a "critical" security update. MS says jump and you ask "how high?"

Charming.
Alias

"Alias"

What was that? I couldn't tell if that was an insult or not. Are you trying to explain to us that there is something "wrong" or "negative" about people who are 18 years old? Typical pothead, your self esteem is so low all you can do is lash out at anything around you.

"Alias"

No alias. Activation covers ALL distros. Not just specific ones. You can't break it all down to something very specific just to make some stupid point. I'll save this for the other branch of this thread.

Hahahaha!!! You keep using that one. It suits you. Really! It does!

Justin wrote:

You're 18? Why I am not surprised? I don't smoke pot. Didn't you see that (above)? Reading comprehension again, tsk, tsk.
Alias

"Alias"

Wow, you truly are the stupidest man alive. Once again everything needs to be spelled out for you.
1. According to YOU I'm 18. Or can you not do math in your head? I guess pot killed that as well.
2. I never said you consumed pot today you ignorant waste of live. But you admittedly HAVE and my comment stands.
So, once again I've proven hands down that alias is a complete idiot that not only can't understand what other people say, he can't even understand what he says himself!!!
Since you wont get it yet AGAIN let me spell it out for you AGAIN:
2007-1989 = 18
Let this be a lesson to you kids out there!!!! alias is YOUR brain on drugs!

Justin wrote:

One has to activate a Dell nowadays? I thought activation was already done when you buy a Dell, HP or other POS computers. If so, I stand corrected and the idiot at the activation center should be fired. This is an unusual case, according to the fanboys here who say phone activation is "just a five minute call". Again, if 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of the calls are activated, what's the bloody point?

Your snipping what was said suits you. It's called "running away with one's tail between one's legs".
Alias

Justin wrote:

No, it wasn't.

Don't know the answer, eh?
Alias

"Alias"

?Que? You'll have to explain that one.

"Alias"

Yes it was alias. By myself. Your memory is horrible. Have fun!

Wow, what a broken record you are. I noticed you didn't have what it takes to address the comment. Have fun!

Justin wrote:

Don't know the answer, eh?
Alias

No point.
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No offense, but it's the same thing for advocating Linux as a viable alternative at this time.
Until someone could package up at least 3 of the four requirements mentioned, it won't be the mainstream.
So there is no point to promote it to the general public.
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Alias wrote:

Exactly, what's the big deal?
bootdisk.com/

Plato wrote:

No, what's the point if one is always activated? The question was not "what's the big deal?"
Alias

I tend to agree with you on this.
Surprised?
If activation is problematical to the point where a company is wary of taking a firm stance, and telling someone that they are absolutely, without a doubt using a pirated system - what good is activation? Anyone persistent enough can activate by phone it seems.
Here is the problem. I am activated using key xxx. Now, your key generating program generates the same key xxx. You can't activate because the key is already in use. So, you make the phone call and convince the human that you have changed M/B's, or some such. They give you a new key and place the original into the dustbin/recycle bin.
The next time I go to validate my system on-line it is not "genuine" because the number was changed by YOU.

Regards,
Richard Urban Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
Quote from George Ankner: If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
"Alias"

Richard Urban wrote:

Pleasantly :)

So, I guess the reason phone activation exists is merely to try and control the customer with more FUD.
Alias

On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 16:43:59 +0200, Alias wrote:

No you moronic fool... one reason for phone activation is for the benefit of people that do NOT have Internet access. Has it ever dawned on your dim bulbs that there are millions of computers used for various LEGIMATE reasons that NEVER had or will be connected to the Internet?
I guess not, that would require thinking, something trolls aren't exactly known for.

"Adam Albright"

Ding ding ding ding!!!!!
That's ONE of the reasons alias was given in the past. Let's see if his memory all of a sudden comes back to him.
However, now he'll backtrack and claim he meant activation in general (just like he did before) of which he was given reasons why MS choses to have an activation process.
His entire argument in the past has been that pirates can break activation in a heartbeat so activation in general only hurts the paying customer. True, in it's current form it's broken and a pain but it DOES do it's job and alias was given a couple reasons (of many) how activation works to prevent piracy and NO, not everyone that calls will be activated. NO BLACKLISTED KEYS WILL EVER BE ACTIVATED VIA PHONE. Yes it's easy for a PAYING customers to get a blacklisted key. That's a hint to the examples alias was given.
Do you remember yet alias or are you going to continue to play dumb?